Tuesday, October 17, 2006

The View From the Top

The top of what you ask? The height of World of Warcraft greatness.

A few weeks ago, a good friend of mine quit playing Warcraft. He was a council member on what is now one of the oldest guilds in the world, the type of position coveted by many of the 7 million people who play the game today, but which only a few ever get.

When he quit, I asked him if he would write a guest blog post about the experience. What follows is a cautionary tale about the pull an escape from reality can have on you.

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60 levels, 30+ epics, a few really good "real life" friends, a seat on the oldest and largest guild on our server's council, 70+ days "/played," and one "real" year later...

Mr. Yeager asked me to write this "guest blog" for him. I figured I should oblige him this request - it was none other than Mr. Yeager who first introduced me to (begged for me to buy, actually :-p) the World of Warcraft. It was the "perfect storm" for me; a time in my life when I was unemployed, living at my family's house far from my friends, and had just finished my engineering degree and was taking a little time to find a job. I had a lot of free time on my hands and WoW gave me a place to spend it.

This could be a many page epic tale, but I figure I'd give you the brief history and pertinent information. The guild Mr. Yeager got me into and with which I became an officer is the oldest and largest on the server I played on. It is around 18 months old and extremely well-versed in endgame instances. I was both the "mage class lead" and an officer. I have many very good friends I met through WoW (in real life - no kidding) and even have been "involved" with another councilor in real life (yes, I know, I'm weird for meeting girls through an online video game but honestly, ask Mr. Yeager, she's head and shoulders better than all the girls I met DJing, waiting tables, in college, and bartending at clubs in Philly). But I digress...

I just left WoW permanently. I was a leader in one of the largest and most respected guilds in the world, a well-equipped and well-versed mage, and considered myself to have many close friends in my guild. Why did I leave? Simple: Blizzard has created an alternate universe where we don't have to be ourselves when we don't want to be. From my vantage point as a guild decision maker, I've seen it destroy more families and friendships and take a huge toll on individuals than any drug on the market today, and that means a lot coming from an ex-club DJ.

It took a huge personal toll on me. To illustrate the impact it had, let's look at me one year later. When I started playing, I was working towards getting into the best shape of my life (and making good progress, too). Now a year later, I'm about 30 pounds heavier that I was back then, and it is not muscle. I had a lot of hobbies including DJing (which I was pretty accomplished at) and music as well as writing and martial arts. I haven't touched a record or my guitar for over a year and I think if I tried any Kung Fu my gut would throw my back out. Finally, and most significantly, I had a very satisfying social life before. My friends and I would go out and there were things to do every night of the week. Now a year later, I realize my true friends are the greatest people in the world because the fact I came out of my room, turned the lights on, and watched a movie with them still means something. They still are having a great time teasing me at my expense, however, which shows they still love me and they haven't changed.

These changes are miniscule, however, compared to what has happened in quite a few other people's lives. Some background... Blizzard created a game that you simply can not win. Not only that, the only way to "get better" is to play more and more. In order to progress, you have to farm your little heart out in one way or another: either weeks at a time PvPing to make your rank or weeks at a time getting materials for and "conquering" raid instances, or dungeons where you get "epic loot" (pixilated things that increase your abilities, therefore making you "better"). And what do you do after these mighty dungeons fall before you and your friend's wrath? Go back the next week (not sooner, Blizzard made sure you can only raid the best instances once a week) and do it again (imagine if Alexander the Great had to push across the Middle East every damn week).

What does this mean? Well, to our average "serious" player this equates to anywhere between 12 hours (for the casual and usually "useless" player) to honestly 10 hours a day, seven days a week for those "hardcore" gamers. During my stint, I was playing about 30 hours a week (and still finding it hard to keep up with my farming) and logging on during my work day in order to keep up with all the guild happenings and to do my scheduling and tracking for the raids. A lot of time went into the development of new policies which took our friendly and family-oriented guild further and further away from its roots but closer to the end goal. Honestly, what that end goal is I'm not totally sure - there is truly no end to the game and every time you feel like you're satisfied with your progress, another aspect of the game is revealed and, well, you just aren't as cool as you can be again.

There are three problems that arise from WoW: the time it requires to do anything "important" is astounding, it gives people a false sense of accomplishment, and when you're a leader, and get wrapped up in it, no matter how much you care or want people to care, you're doing the wrong thing.

First off, let's go back to the time it takes to accomplish anything in the game. To really be successful, you need to at least invest 12 hours a week, and that is bare minimum. From a leadership perspective, that 12 hours would be laughed at. That's the guy who comes unprepared to raid and has to leave half way through because he has work in the morning or is going out or some other thing that shows "lack of commitment". To the extreme there is the guildie who is always on and ready to help. The "good guildie" who plays about 10 hours a day and seven days a week. Yes, that's almost two full-time jobs. Funny, no one ever asks any questions, though.

The worst though are the people you know have time commitments. People with families and significant others. I am not one to judge a person's situation, but when a father/husband plays a video game all night long, seven days a week, after getting home from work, very involved instances that soak up hours and require concentration, it makes me queasy that I encouraged that. Others include the kids you know aren't doing their homework and confide in you they are failing out of high school or college but don't want to miss their chance at loot, the long-term girl/boyfriend who is skipping out on a date (or their anniversary - I've seen it) to play (and in some cases flirt constantly), the professional taking yet another day off from work to farm mats or grind their reputations up with in-game factions to get "valuable" quest rewards, etc... I'm not one to tell people how to spend their time, but it gets ridiculous when you take a step back.

The game also provides people with a false sense of security, accomplishment, and purpose. Anyone can be a superhero here if they have the time to put in. Not only that, a few times I've seen this breed the "rockstar" personality in people who have no confidence at all in real life. Don't get me wrong, building confidence is a good thing and something, if honed appropriately, the game can do very right. But in more than a few cases, very immature people with bad attitudes are catered to (even after insulting or degrading others "in public") because they are "better" than the rest. Usually this means they played a lot more and have better gear. I'd really hate to see how this "I'm better than you attitude" plays out in real life where it means jack how epic your loot is - when you say the wrong thing to the wrong person it's going to have repercussions and you can't just log out to avoid the effects of your actions.

And people put everything on the line for these accomplishments with which they associate much value. I know of children and spouses being forced to play and grind for their parents, threats of divorce, rampant neglect, failing grades in school, and thousands of dollars spent on "outsourcing" foreign help. For what, you ask? Honor. The desire to be the best for at least one week. To get the best loot in the game. What do these "heroes" receive? Why, cheers and accolades of course as they parade along in their new shiny gear... which is obsolete the first time they step into one of the premier instances. The accomplishment and sacrifice itself are meaningless a few days later. Then it's usually off to the races again.

Finally, when you're a leader there is a call (or more appropriately a demand) for success. Usually those you represent want to keep progressing. They want to keep improving. They want more access to the best things. It is on you to provide it. In my experience, when you fail to progress fast enough, waves ripple throughout the guild and people become dissatisfied. It's your fault, no matter what. Everything you've done to keep things fair and provide for everyone does not mean a damn thing. A few will stand up for you, but when you have 150 people who all want 150 different things, you end up listening to 150 voices complaining about the job you're doing. This volunteer job usually takes at least 10 extra hours a week (on top of regular playing). Towards the end of my year of service, I apparently couldn't do anything right with my class. I had to rotate people to make sure everyone was getting a fair shot. I wrote actual mathematical proofs the allowed for fair and effective (yes, both) raid distribution according to efficiency, speed, and guild class population. I even rotated myself more than any other class member. People still took it upon themselves to tell me what I was doing wrong (constantly) and how their way was more fair (usually for them).

The thing that kicked me in the ass more than anything else was I really cared if my guildies were getting what they wanted out of the experience. I truly thought my efforts would make them happy. I wanted to make a difference to them. The greedy and socially phobic high school kid I thought I could help through the game, all of the couples (both married and not) who were falling apart because of the game I thought I could rescue, the girl who was deeply wounded by a guy who left her for the game but was herself addicted I thought I could save, not to mention a host of others, I thought my efforts were helping. Then it hit me like a ton of bricks: I was providing them with an escape from their problems and nurturing the very thing that was holding them back. Oh yeah, it hit me like a ton of bricks after I had changed so much and lost enough of myself that the most wonderful girl I ever met broke up with me.

I remember clearly after fumbling around life for a few weeks that I dragged myself into the bathroom to get ready for work. I was tired because I was up until close to 2 AM raiding. Every week I read though email or I would run into one of my "real" friends and I'd hear "Andy, what's up, I haven't seen you in a while." I looked in the mirror and in a cinemaesque turn of events and a biblical moment of clarity, told myself "I haven't seen me in a while either."

That did it. I wanted to do the things I wanted to do again and be with the people who appreciated me even if I abandoned them for a year and sucked to high heaven as a friend. The prodigal son returned and my friends were happy. The best advice I got was from the girl who dumped me for being a jackass (and after I decided to really quit and be "myself again" became one of, if not my best friend in the entire world), who said "your real friends like you even when you screw up." It's true.

Funny side note was the reaction I got from the guild that I spent a year pouring my heart and soul into. I made my post in the guild forums saying I was leaving (half of it RPing - something that doesn't happen after you start raiding) and that it was time for me to move on. Three days later I didn't exist any more. The machine kept on moving without this gear. A few people asked me over email (and when I logged on to clean out the old bank) when I was coming back (I'm not going to). There are a few others I keep in contact with and am planning on going to visit sooner or later so I can hang out in person and they can finally meet me. But in the end being forgotten about so soon after still left a bittersweet taste. But one that was a lot easier to swallow than the one I chugged down every day for the better part of a year.

Don't get me wrong, WoW did a lot of things right. At times it was a fun game that allowed me to keep in contact with friends who lived far away. More importantly it introduced me to some of the best real life friends I've ever met. However, it did take an undeniable toll on me and is taking a far greater one on many, many people when taken too far.

Update: Follow up to this here, with clarifications on authorship and some of the more interesting/bizarre comments.

Update 2: For an alternative, positive viewpoint on the game written by the person who told the author to quit, please go here.

Finally, if you'd like to read more about this, I can't recommend the book Game Addiction: The Experience and The Effects by Neils Clark enough. It is a thoroughly researched and balanced piece of work that really examines this issue from all angles. It includes discussions with the writers of both blog posts on this topic.

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Anonymous said...

very good post. This game is incidious. I just backed off a bit, logged less raids, and told people I had a real life. I play my alt now here and there, occasionally playing 6 man on the bench in case someone needs me.

Its good to see a life outside your computer, play my guitar, and not sacrifice my life for a computer game.

Sometimes a ton of bricks hurts for only a second.

Anonymous said...

Im a guild leader/officer/class lead.

I manage to play weekly stay in the best shape ive been in my life, and play WOW regularly. I have two 60 level charcters and over 50 epics.

You people need to learn self control, and how to balance your lives. I play a total of maybe 10 hours a week. Including time spent online in my guild forumns. Its not hard just be organized, and dont let something consume you.

There is nothing you need to farm in this game, I havent spent a minute farming anything. I just run end game instances setup by a raid schedule. Easy as pie. Log in run the raid logout. 3 hours at most And as said the raids only CAN happen once a week. You run BWL and MC once a week, 10 hours tops. and you done. Nothing more is needed. If you guild is good the Money from the fights pays for your repairs, lof out, and log back in a week later.

PUT THE MOUSE DOWN!!! :)

Its not hard folks get some willpower.

Anonymous said...

Oh shut the fuck up and get over yourself.

Anonymous said...

I have been playing over 2 years and my wife still hasn't left me. My /played if over 100 days. If I played more will she actually leave? I can only hope.

Anonymous said...

First, congratulations on a most sobering post. Best of luck with the reconstruction of your life, and thank you for having the will to post both your decision and the reasons for that decision to this blog.

One of the respondants to your post made a very worthwhile point, when they suggested looking at the opportunity costs involved in playing WoW. I would generalize that, a bit, to suggest that such reflection is a good practice for all of us to undergo on a regular basis. Life continually offers us new distractions, and making regular 'breaks' to evaluate those opportunities simply strikes me as an excellent use of time.

A further litmus test I use: on my deathbed, will I be glad with the way zi've spent my time recently?

Anonymous said...

You got Slashdotted. General consensus: You're pathetic.

Anonymous said...

This post is a joke. You played for a year 70 days, and claim to be one of the best guilds in the world. LOL. Ok I'll just give you GIVE YOU the fact that you are in the best guild in the world. That's fine. Let's get to 70 days played. WHAT A JOKE!!! You think that's alot? You are claiming to be some guru, while when I played EVERQUEST (much more time consuming than wow) some people had _500_ days of playing time over a few years. These people were on about twice as much as you in your peek 'season'. WOW is not the first super addictive MMORPG, Everquest was. All of this has been said, and you weren't even that extreme of a case. Just kind of funny to me when I've seen so many worse cases.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the anon who said it happens in most games with teamwork. I see much of what he said in myself as I play Saint's Row on my XBOX360. I'm getting divorced and have other problems, but nothing has pissed me off more than the 26 hours XBOX Live was off-air. I also stay up to 2am playing and then drag to work. I still keep my friends and do hobbies, so it's somewhat under control.... however I have to be careful I don't fall into what he's described in WoW.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I know this post is going to be miles down the page, but I thought I'd like to contribute.

I've played MMOs for about 8 years now, been in WoW since release, and have been leading a guild on an RPPvP server for about a year now.

The guild started small enough, 25-30 people, all pretty casual but very competent players, and we had goals. We knew we could never be the top echelon of WoW guilds and have never really tried to be, we've progressed at our own pace and have done ok at it.

Over the last year, we've grown, because we do try our best to accomodate schedules of casual and 'hardcore' players alike and we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 180 individual member accounts, maybe 75% of those are relatively active. We accomodate a lot of playstyles and time committments, everything from the 40 hour a week guy to the 10 hour a week or less person.

Yes, a side affect of being so large is that we've had a few issues here and there, but the one thing above all else we've strived to create is a community. Our forums are very active, I swear some people spend more time there then they do in game. We have several groups of friends who all came to our guild together, and we've done our damnedest to make everything as fair as possible for everyone while maintaining a relaxed and casual atmosphere.

Is it easy? Hell no. It's hard as hell sometimes. But I preach one thing to people constantly in our guild. We're large, nothing is going to make everyone happy, and people have to realize that. Once they do, they see that myself and the excellent cadre of officers we have our putting our time in to do the best we can to give everyone a fun gaming experience and making sure everyone is treated as equally as possible. We've NEVER supported the 'you are good because of what you can do in a game' mentality. It's how you treat the people around you that counts most.

Flip side, it IS work, and sometimes feels like a second job. The saving grace is that the vast majority of our players are at least mid 20s or older, and completely understand having other commitments and a life outside of any game. It makes the jobs of the officers running the guild so much easier with an environment like that.

Anyway, I can most definitely see where you are coming from. If you aren't careful, it could very easily draw you in to a position of not knowing which way is up and not seeing some sunshine for awhile. I'm just thankful that most of the people we have are such good people who have lives of their own, and have been fairly healthy about integrating their favorite hobby (in this case WoW) into their lives in a good way.

Also, cheers to herding 150 cats for over a year. I can sympathize. For those in the same position as he was or myself, do me a favor and remember the sun does still shine outside, go grab a beer or a movie or visit some family or something. It does wonders for keeping you balanced and keeping a game that can draw you in as much as this one does in perspective.

Anonymous said...

Ummm, yeah thanks for writing about how you can never underestimate human ability to blame something other than themselves.

It's the game that's addictive, not my personality.

It's the games fault I spent all these hours of my life, not my lack of self control.

It's the games fault I killed my sister, not because I was a latent psychopath.

All these people congratulating you take such a high and mighty moral stance over computer games. Just like the american government who just refuse to understand games are just another form of entertainment that just so happen to let you "interact" with your story.

The trouble is, NO coverage is ever given to people who play games, or represent their interest. If they are briefly allowed into the sunlight (pun intended) they are always displayed as sunlight fearing, vitamin D deficient, greasy pubescents.

And all these people who are like welcome back to Real Life, congratulations on beating the habit. You mentioned you were a DJ before, ummm, how is that a more "noble" or "acceptable" hobby. You more than likely still performed in a "dark" room, pressing "buttons" at the "right" time, not be able to "talk" to or "hear" the outside world because the music is loud and you're behind a DJ booth? It was OK because soceity says it is!

People should stand up and take responsibility! I play WoW, have done for what amounts to 26 days of my life. I still have a girlfriend, hold down a job, have a car, go on holiday, have a REAL LIFE so you people like to call it.

My guild has three married couples, groups of 10 of us regularly meet up in different part of the country. These couples play together more nights than the singles. It's their "thing". Would you deny them this, because it's bad for their health? or it's addictive?

Always only one side of the story....

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with everything that was said. I played this game with my girlfriend and while we both enjoyed the game, she took it to the next level. At one point the game meant more to her than I did. If she wasn't playing, she would be on her guild's forum, or reading up about Wow info. She was addicted and I got sick of it, so I cancelled the game. I loved the game as much as she did, but I needed to stop the drug, and since I was the one with the credit card, I did exactly that. Now our relationship is on the rocks, and we might not be able to save it. Warcraft is the worse thing to ever come in my life, yet I loved it. I know hands down what the game can do to a relationship and I find it terrible that it is happening to so many people out there.

Anonymous said...

There is no right or wrong in life, its how one chooses to live it.

Anonymous said...

Nobody likes a quitter. You sir, ARE A PUSSY!

Anonymous said...

To the person above...

If it ruined your relationship, your relationship was not worth saving. If you cant get a mix between your own personal hobbys, and time spent together, that is YOUR problem - not a games fault. Your the one with the conscious thought processes. Many couples play wow, myself and my boyfriend included, and have excellent relationships. Dont blame your own shortcomings on the game.

Anonymous said...

So does he hook up with that chick again, or did that ship sail?

What's the story?

Anonymous said...

I remember my guild leader who had his 5 yo kid farm pvp honor until 5 in the morning.

I think the most fun I had in the game was when it was relatively new and everyone was exploring and meeting people. Now its just a lot of epeen stroking in Org. etc.

Anonymous said...

I was a SWG junky. Tried that Warcraft but it wasn't my cup of tea.

I started off as a simple two hours a night man. My internet connection cut off after a 2 hour session so that was pretty easy to regulate.

But pretty quick I found I was going back in for a second session. And if I got back form work sharp I could squish in an 'early' 2 hours...

Six hours a night and I was still able to get to bed at a sane time. Well, I had classes in the morning.

But then I had weekends.. 8, 10, 12 hour long orgies of grinding looting and just faffing about.

University finished (got a good degree thanks) but no work. Not to worry, there's a whole MMO universe out there and if I can spend 4 hours mid morning till late lunchtime, plus maybe 8 hours at night, well, that's my business, eh?

Still managed to get to the kids school concerts and parent nights. Shopping can be done on the internets and anyaway, what's wrong with giving everyone an Amazon bought book for Christmas... All the more time to play.

RL friends joined the game. I like to think they joined to keep me company, drawn in by my personal magnetism, but in reality they were going "what the hell does he see in this? I'll gie it a try and see..." They came, they went, new online friends came and went, I was often the 'oldest' player in town, but hey, so what.. and anyway, I get 4 hours sleep a night and take a couple of hours off to have dinner with the family... 12-16 hours a day, what's the harm? It was only 4 or 5 days a week...

And it's not like I was sat there button mashing all the time. Not *all* the time. Heck of a lot of the time was gettign eaten up with forum whoring, running a small guild, buying and selling loot...

And then came the NGE. Yeah, I'm still a SWG addict. But checking my X-Fire I've played a totaly of 350 hours since 15th Nov. 05. As opposed to clocking nearly that in a month beforehand.

(OH, and I gave WoW another whirl. Still can't get into it. Or maybe I know tha tI could really, really get into it and am not willing to give up that amount of my life for a game again...)

Anonymous said...

Oh-My-God.
Thanks for the laugh.

Anonymous said...

du still have your account? cause if u do and u dont play, can u gimmie the pass plz? i wont touch ur chars.. will just create new ones... plz..... talk to me at yonmwar@walla.co.il

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the great eye opener. I'm sure my friends will agree to this as well and I thank the friend who sent me this blog.

Life is sure free from these virtual chains after quitting wow (and other games). Let's leave the entertainment to when it's appropriate and controllable. :)

Anonymous said...

Why anyone would pay (x*$15)+$40 (where x is months played) so he can spend Y amount of hours to get a sense of accomplishment for things that will have no bearing on anything outside of the game.

That's why I stick to FPS games. Instant gratification, and innate skill is infinitely more important than the amount of time or money spent.

Anonymous said...

I am glad you rediscovered the important things in your life.

WoW does have a way of pulling you in during the lowest times of your life. Whether you're in between jobs, getting over a devastating break-up, losing direction in school, or just in search of people who are willing to hear your voice and befriend you. It's a great outlet, taken in the right dosage, but it's also very easy to lose yourself to the game if you're subconsciously trying to numb yourself to the world. It offers all of the right tools to allow you to fabricate a false sense of purpose, accomplishment, and belonging.

As several people have mentioned here in the comments, it's also about self-control and will-power. Knowing when to call it after a long raid, so you're allowing yourself enough time to finish up that last chapter for class. Knowing when to hearthstone back and call it a night so you can tend to your significant other, who's been patiently sitting by, watching as your guild downs one boss after another. Knowing when to place your responsbilities at work and at home before that dubious honor grind to High Warlord.

I am not knocking the game - I play it myself. At one point in time, I spent 20+ hours questing and raiding, but I can say in confidence that I've learned what my boundaries are and it's good to know when to draw the line between enjoying RL and my love for the game. I may not have the myriad of epics to show for my endeavors, but I logout every time feeling good about experiences in what it is - just a game.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Anonymous said...

I was addicted to both WoW and EverCrack before that. This article hit quite a heartstring. My health suffered quite seriously as I reduced my sleep to about 4 hours a night.

Anonymous said...

I personally play WOW and i think that its ridiculous that people are comparing a Video Game to drugs...a drug is a chemial addiction and when you quit you go through withdrawals..ie the shakes and things of that nature..i have never met anyone who stopped playing an MMO and woke up in cold sweats screaming for thier warrior so lets put all of that bs to rest right now...on the other hand i applaude you for realizing that your personality doesnt allow you to be a casual gamer and leaving...
and to everyone who plays this game and it ruined your life i am sorry to hear that but please dont blame external causes..its a person's inability to say no that ruined your life not the game

Anonymous said...

"I wanted to do the things I wanted to do again"

... way to go?

Anonymous said...

That is so true and that you have to pay to lose you life make them point that much stronger.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the excellent article. I quit for many of the same reasons.Well done.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. Not that your gonna read any of these replies, but I was in the same boat only with FFXI.

Good that you got out.

Enjoy your life.

Anonymous said...

WoW is a good game, but too much of a good thing can often times be bad.

The key is 'everything in moderation'. If you can play for a few hours a few times a week, and not have it affect your 'real world', you'll be way ahead of the people that put in several hours every day.

Best wishes to you, it sounds like you've got your priorities straight again. As we say in our guild: "RL > WoW".

Anonymous said...

I hear ya brother. :)

I ran a top guild in DAoC on my server for a while. "Diplomat" would be the top skill required, I think, in that position. I can't count how many disagreements between guildies I tried to help manage.

I went cold turkey on MMOGs about 3 or so years ago - I was playing Shadowbane at the time, running one of the top SB websites as well. I had the same realization - here I am, working all day at a computer to come home and sit in front of my computer all night. I was renting a room from a couple, the guy-half of the couple being a fantastic cook and would cook a great dinner every night. He just got used to bringing a plate into my room so I could eat while playing. I put on some weight (not 30 lbs, though!). And I got sick of it, so I just quit. Started getting outside, riding my bike, snowboarding again. Lost the weight, was happier.

Earlier this year, the fellow whose MMOG sites I worked on (see SB site mentioned above) suggested I help him with his WoW site. I'd avoided WoW on the grounds that I *knew* it was freaking addictive and I didn't want to go through that again. But I like working on sites so I agreed. I went and picked up a copy of WoW for "research purposes". :/

I start playing, and my buddy drops off the face of the earth. Naturally, I get addicted. I start playing all the time, even during the day when I should be working (I telecommute). But fortunately after a couple of months, I wake up, say "WTF am I doing again?" and cancelled. Happy again. :D

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

have any of you ever been laid? I can't believe some of you are comparing yourselves to drug addicts. I've never heard of more self-absorbed nerdy people. Oh, I'm SO happy that you "recovering addicts" are learning the "errors of your ways"... you know what I have learned? That people who play WoW are idiots. Wake up people, it's an F-ing VIDEO GAME. Get a hooker or something you zit-faced freaks. "

Sorry, your mom was busy...

Anyway, I've read this a few times and still don't see where the guy

A) isn't accepting responsibility for his own actions, and

B) is blaming the game itself. He simply says it has an appeal. Crack has an appeal, sex has an appeal (especially with the guy who wrote the comments above's mom), Ramen has an appeal. He said the game can draw people in - not that it drug him kicking and screaming down the stairs and threw him in the back of a van. Lighten up, people.

Anonymous said...

I too was once an officer in a forward progressing guild. Made good friends, etc, etc. Eventually I decided to quit and yep, within one day I was gone from the roster, dkp list, etc. It was like I never existed.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

have any of you ever been laid? I can't believe some of you are comparing yourselves to drug addicts. I've never heard of more self-absorbed nerdy people. Oh, I'm SO happy that you "recovering addicts" are learning the "errors of your ways"... you know what I have learned? That people who play WoW are idiots. Wake up people, it's an F-ing VIDEO GAME. Get a hooker or something you zit-faced freaks."

Errrrr... Why are you spying on us "zit-faced geeks" then? Don't cool guys like you have to get drunk or screw hookers (why pay if you're so cool) or something?

Anonymous said...

I don't know you and I've never touched WoW, but I know what is required. I wish you luck.

Anonymous said...

30 epics only? I've sharded close to a dozen already still have 2 epic tier sets.

Does it make me feel special? A little but acquiring epic like items in real life make me feel a helluva lot better.

Like getting a bigger raise or the birth of your own child is one of the greatest epics in life.

Anonymous said...

I invite you to submit this wonderful post to Poor Mojo's Almanac(k) as a "rant". We have gamers on our editorial staff and post links on our "Newswire" blog regarding gaming. I think this piece would be perfect for the site.

Alan
Poor Mojo's Newswire

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Anonymous said...

I never started WoW because I'd experienced very similar experience .. . instead of Everquest or WoW we were on MUDs and MUSHes, no fancy images just text.
I stopped playing when I realized all the time I'd spent in the computer labs and all the time I hadn't spent doing other things. Props, brother!

Anonymous said...

Dude, I hate to say it, but you're pretty pathetic. it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that you helped a good number of people waste away their lives in a game, so what? they didn't quit because you did. I ended up having three lvl 60's' when I left, two of them epically geared. I had maybe 130 days "/played" between them. I still came out a decent person, and I quit the game multiple times. just because your guild had a lot of troubles doesn't mean everyone else did. TV destroys lives, video games destroy lives, voting destroys lives, computers destroy lives, EVERYTHING will hurt SOMEONE. just accept that some people can't move on. it doesn't mean that you have to be just as bad. just because you didn't keep your wits about you doesn't mean most people didn't. stop giving WoW a bad review just because you fucked up your own life. you made those decisions about your life, and you made those decisions about your character, not Blizzard. blame yourself for your problems instead of pushing it off onto someone unrelated to your actions.

Anonymous said...

good article. I just quit too, didn't have very good gear, but yeah.



To win at WoW is to leave it.

Anonymous said...

Bravo.

Spent two weeks playing the game 12 hours a day when it was first released, but got out before it destroyed me because I realized it would.

I have 'lost' many friends to that game. I will be here for them should they choose to remember that they had a real life once, but, well, fat chance they will really.

Anonymous said...

The key is to find a great wife that likes doing things that you like, ie. playing WoW. And having friends that have the same interests allows you play with them as well. Playing with all of them is no different than us all getting together and playing poker. Its a game, we drink, we laugh, we kill, we die. Its all in good fun and it makes us happy.

Anonymous said...

What's with all the Haterade? I can't stand it when the high and mighty hide behind computer screens and write "pull your head out and get control of yourself". Obviously you are either in major denial about your addiction or think you are better than the world. Both of which are completely lame. It's no wonder the world is the way it is today with all of the intolerance. People who find themselves addicted to these games have found something that fulfills their lives in ways that reality can't. It's not the person's fault. It's not necessarily the game maker's fault either. I have barely played these online games recently because of how much it takes you away from the everyday issues. We need to face them and these games give us an escape from that much like other addictive vices. I think that is the true spirit of this blog and the message everyone should get from it.

Anonymous said...

/played = ZOMGWTFBBQ

Some pseudo mind hacks helped me quit. These literally took me years to develope and I've been on and off the band wagon as much as anyone. I was going to write them up, but was too embarrassed at admitting addiction. Anyway here they are:
1) redirect the lust for loot into a lust for loot in the real world. Greed is a powerful motivator.
2) Face the time warp reality you know well....realize the second you sit down to play it's already six or twelve hours later.
3) Try to envision "real" your life in five years continuing the current trend. It's easy to con yourself into thinking you'll give it up by then, but deep down you know you don't even want to.
4) Imagine the real world as the ultimate MMORPG. Things are harder sometimes, but the rewards are bigger. Take what you need to excced in WoW and apply it to real life.
5) Cold turkey quitting is the only way. There is no such thing as half time crooks. Seriously.....you cannot play a couple hours a day, you cannot quit when you want to. You are a slave Neo.
6) Realize that my Glider bot can accomplish practically everything you can. Your entire existence basically to live out a few lines of code. You have become a bot which can be purchased for $25. Sure they can't raid very effectively yet, but they will soon.
7) If you have real dreams let them motivate you. Consider the /played time applied to that software product you want to write or company you want to start....or working on your six pack. You'd probably be a Dot Com billionaire and still can be or at least have REAL fun trying.
8) Understand the addiction cycle.....RAID -> PL -> adrenline rush -> let down -> more RAID -> adreneline rush ...... it's a magic formula for addiction. Just like gambling.
9) Think hard about right now what you would give to have all that time back that you played the game. You could have weeks, months or years of your life back. Now realize you are having a conversation with your future self and the choice is now.

Anonymous said...

I find that columns like these do little else than propagate the "it's someone else's fault, not mine" mentality.

I have gamed my whole life. I have not one, not two, but three characters on WoW that have similar play time to yours.

However, I also have a great wife, one kid that is bringing home A's from school and a one year old that I'm helping to learn to walk and talk.

Time management is what it's about and control over your life and your surroundings. If your life fell apart when you played WoW, it was doomed to start with, simply insert catalyst here.

I am Priest leader and Quartermaster for a 150 person *cross-guilded* raid group that only spends three days raiding a week (usually < 5 hours a day), and has killed seven bosses in Naxx. There is a 'guild' based raid on our server that raids everyday and is only as far as us.

The moral of the story is you're wrong about time committment = greatness. We aspire, and we succeed, and we have lives. It's a matter of control and utilizing the talent & time you have.

WoW provides me with entertainment, friends and challenges. There will come a time where I will become bored with the game (like I have several others in the past) and will move on to something else.

I feel sincerely sorry for anyone who needs to blame a computer game for the loss of friends / girlfriends / etc. If they leave you or forget about you or move on, they never truly cared about you and who you were to start with. They would be happy to see that you're enjoying something and try to involve themselves in your life somehow, not move away.

I have friends who do not play WoW, but chat about it with us and hang out with us and enjoy our stories of conquests. *THESE* are true friends, not the ones that only hang with you when you do only the things society deems "normal".

Anyways, /endrant.

Ekatarina
Cenarion Circle RP Server

Anonymous said...

Funny... I blogged about the addiction in WoW a couple days ago.

http://cranius.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!6174BA0350BAA452!380.entry

Anonymous said...

As was said before- this "me too" shit is ridiculous.

You make a choice, create an action, and now you must deal with the outcome.

You dont like the game? Dont play.
You dont like your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/kids/grandmas/uncles playing? Cancel the subscription, get a divorce, or stop talking to them.
You dont like online games? again, dont play them.
You dont like online? why are you reading any of this?

There is such a common thread of unachievement within this group of people that it makes me sick. Fault is your own, none other.

No friends? Make them!
No life? Make one!

This life of opportunity is dependent on choice, and opting out through forms of alternate reality, seclusion, and sequestering yourself to your house is a bunch of crap.

Do everyone a favor that knows you and make something happen that is more memorable than a visual experience dictated by a bunch of code lines in a digital program.

You are an absolute jerk if you let anything happen to you- only victims let things happen to themselves, fighters act on adversity and you just sitting there crying over poor choice is no better.

Anonymous said...

Fantastic article, I too have found that WoW is just too easy to get so wrapped up in that you neglect real life.

I thought that WoW made me happy but now that I have stopped playing I am happier than I have been in months.

There are a lot of people here who don't believe that this game can affect someones life so badly, but there are obviously from these posts 100's of thousands if not millions of people who are wasting their lives in front of a computer screen forgetting about all that is truely important to them.

Anonymous said...

This was nothing short of a fascinating post. My husband was sent to Iraq over a year ago and still has six months to go on his tour. For the last six months, I picked up this wonderful game again which I had discovered (thanks to him) before my husband had even proposed to me. I joined a great RP guild full of great people and just two nights ago, in fact hit level 51. I also was promoted to a position of leadership within the guild, and while it's not an officer's position, it's been strongly hinted that that's not far off either. But at the same time, I have to face it... I don't work, afterall, I don't need to. I don't go to school. I live far far away from my family and most of my friends are still unmarried and don't want to do much more than get drunk every night. So I play WoW, and I think it's safe to say I'm addicted, especially since I am one of those who play 10 to 12 hours a day. For right now, though it's not so bad... afterall there's no on around me to really hurt with my absence from reality... but what about at the end of my husband's tour? When he's home for good, what will I do then? I've made some great friends on WoW and I'd hate to 'let them down' by focusing on real life. As the author mentioned in his reply to all the responses to his post, it is the people, after all, who draw you in and keep you addicted. I never played computer games until I discovered WoW and I don't actually spend a whole lot of time -playing- as much as I do socializing. I suppose, when the time comes, I'll have to totally re-evaluate my priorities. Although, I suppose I should do that now, before it has a chance to ruin things... Kudos on a great post, man. Really made me think.

Anonymous said...

I've played since day one, also in a successful guild. I've played until quite recently, having almost all my tier3 and all, but I too have quit. Reading this just makes my reasons so much more valid to hear it from someone else. Now i'm a father, and living life much more enjoyably again, but there is still alot of ground to cover on things i've neglected. Anyway, have fun, I know I am again!

Anonymous said...

Nice article, although trick is in balance.

Our guild is probably as old if not older then yours on WoW time (we formed in Open Beta). Its's much smaller too ~50 active accounts, we killed C'Thun long time ago and slowly working on Naxx. Progression wise we are not front world guild by any means but we are top on our server by far and on hight side among all RP servers.

We spend 10-12 hours a week raiding and some times another 2-3 farming. Idea is improve quality of time spent and not quantity. Sure you can find ~4 hours for raids 2-3 times a week :D if you want to. Some people pick 1-2 days and skip 2nd or 3rd but when they come they are on top of their game - its all about balance.

We do not recruit people who play 24/7, actually we kick people who play too much because they will burn out and they are source of frustration, drama and lost gear. It's much better to run Naxx with 35 great players who get along with each other and know each other long time, then rotate 60 in and out.

So its all about finding and maintaining acceptable balance, same with any other hobby really…

Anonymous said...

Very good post. Didn't feel like reading all the replies...but I am a DDO player and thankfully it is not like WoW (not yet anyway), and my guild is full of other parents/married people who keep things in perspective. In fact we have been playing since a month after launch and the guild has yet to do a major raid. They (the raids) just aren't as important as kids/work/friends. Kudos to you and others for realising you had a problem and getting out before it did you major damage.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, blaming a game for one’s problems is nothing but an easy way out. I do agree that a person should not spend a disproportionate amount of time in a game. However, that goes for anything. Too much WoW is just as bad as spending too much working out, eating too much food and going to clubs too much. If a person does not have the discipline and the willpower to limit themselves, it is a problem with the said person and not with their hobby of choice.

Going from “all” to “nothing” while passing the blame, as Mr. Yeager does, is anything but healthy. One must learn to balance their time and their activities. Until they are able to do that, they will always find themselves getting the short end of the stick.

Anonymous said...

Play classic Warcraft 3 instead. Try out DOTA if you havent already. Thousands of people still play it on bnet. Its a fun 5v5 hero vs hero game, lasts an hour, and will get you far more entertainment in 1 hour than WoW will in an entire night. Expect to see mmos with a less permanency nature to them and implementing a 'win' option in the future. WoW's cookie cutter mmo format will not last much longer.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Sounds exactly like my last two jobs, the latter a startup. Same sort of thing: lots of demands, tons of time spent working away at things but always feeling things are never getting done, constant demands from everyone all wanting something different and never being happy, etc. etc. etc. Substitute the names of one of the last two companies I worked for for WoW and it would read exactly the same as my life was for over two years. And the worst part is the ending is the same: aftering leaving, it took almost no time before I was completely forgotten, and all the "friends" I thought I had made no effort to ask why I'd left, where I'd gone, or to keep in touch at all. I've still got a couple of people who I worked with that I stay in touch with, but within a week after leaving both places, it was if as I was never even there.

Just like WoW I'm determined to find a job that won't suck my life away and where I can put in a reasonable number of hours and still have a life. I don't expect to work anywhere where people will actually care if I stay or go, live or die, or whatever, but at least I'll know that going in and won't bother with any effort having a "social life" at the job other than what's necessary, unfortunately, to get things done. Instead, I'll continue to focus on my personal Real Life in the Real World.

Good for you for finally seeing what was going on and deciding to make a change. I feel badly for those with addiction problems who won't be able to make the right choice like you did. Cheers!

Anonymous said...

That post was a much needed slap across the face. I am not a hardcore gamer or anything (not a guild leader and no lvl60 chars yet), but i put about 6 hours daily into the game. Staying up until 4 am is really having a toll on my work performance and i already have been questioned about it. The solution i thought of? quit my job and become a "professional" player!! thank god i have a good friend who already went through the wow addiction described above and managed to talk sense into me. I seriously know that i must quit this game, but the game is so perfect i just cant. Maybe the above post would be what i need to go cold turkey. Power to ya man, and wish me luck!!

Anonymous said...

That's funny. A couple posts up someone says "it's a video game". That's not in dispute. And what does a hooker have to do with anything? Hell I probably get more tail than Mr. Anonymous up there.

Glad you got out of Wow. I was letting it screw up some things in my life as well. Go have a kid, that will fix ya! HAHAH

Later,
Steve

Anonymous said...

I was in a similar situation as you were (being an officer of the largest and most progressed guild on the server). And most of you said is true.
I also quitted, I think that's the best decision I had in nearly 2 years of playing.

Anonymous said...

For everyone saying how hurt you were when you left your guild and they didn't notice, don't be surprised when your job treats you the same way.

As Thulsa Doom said, "Flesh is Stronger Than Steel". Go out and meet people, make mistakes get married and LIVE

Anonymous said...

As a WoW played and a person with "alot" of time, but also, with a life I must say most of the problems are lack of self-control, i play about 5h a day, I have a girlfriend and I honestly wont stop seeing her because I have to go to MC or something, I admit its addictive, heck its the game I played for the longest ever.
All thats in excess is bad, thats what I say.

If you get that much caught up in the game, you're not psychologically developed enough to play it period.

PS. I play 5h a day because I'm only taking 1 class this year, I'm getting a part-time job anyways

Anonymous said...

I'm a WoW dealer. I introduced my bf to it and now he's a GM of a truly great guild with some nice people. However, we don't go out that much anymore. I did the stupid thing while addicted and gave a good friend the "key" to a 10-day trial. That was a mistake. He's a newlywed for goodness sake. But he is pulling away fortunately. Unfortunately, he gave *his* key to someone else...he's addicted now, too.

Anonymous said...

I live with a guy who plays WoW day in and day out. I'm sorry that many of you have had unhappy experiences but, I've got to speak up in favor of it.

Last year, my partner had - what we thought - was a stroke. He lost the ability to speak for a bit, lost strength on his left side, migraines every day. Through his playing WoW, he regained his speech (he now uses his headset on the game), his mobility returned and during the 18 months he had migraines where he couldn't go out, the game allowed him to interact with people.

I guess I'm not one of the usual suspect GF's that disapprove of things if they're not focused on me, because, I'd rather have him home playing than at a bar, sucking down drinks. We have friends who come over and yet, I never make a fuss when he wants to play.

Oh...and it turned out to be a tumor on his carotid artery. And I can't thank his WoW guild enough for helping during this very difficult time in his life.

Anonymous said...

Ok here goes my two g. on it!

To all those that have to quit... Good for you!

To all those that don't... Good for you!

And that's all I have to say, thanks for your time! LOL :-)

Anonymous said...

I've got a chart on my wall. If you give me $5 I'll put your name in one of the rows and keep track of how many times you can flip a quarter each month. Using a sliding scale, I'll put a star next to your name whenever you flip the quarter enough times to earn it. Your friends can play too. All they need to do is give me $5 every month. You guys can even form a club in which you devise ways to become more efficient quarter-flippers. If you get enough stars I'll give you prizes-- like a new video card or maybe even a car! Well, OK, I won't *really* give you those things. But I'll cut a picture of a video card or a car out of a magazine and tape it somewhere in your row of the chart. That way people will know you earned that prize. I'll even host a website wherein I'll regularly post updated pictures of the chart so you can look at your car whenever you want. If enough people start playing we can add different charts for other stuff. We could possibly flip other sorts of coins. Or maybe do that thing where you make a pen spin around on the back of your hand and catch it again!

Anonymous said...

Thousands of thanks here. I was playing EQ2 and quit it after 1 year of interrupted time allocation, (less then 10 hours a week, sometimes 20 hours a week -quite rare though-). I was installing WoW while surfing, and know that I have just stopped my trial installation and uninstalled it!

Thanks again, I'll be allocating my time for learning a new language, or whatever i want to do!

And i am stopping tracking a MMORP that is coming out. You've changed my life :)

Anonymous said...

I was fortunate and saw the impact early and left WoW after only 3 months. I read many articles and saw no end to the game. The Guild I joined was a tight family, fun, a lot of joking and playing for fun. Then they increased members, it got serious as if it were a Job, back stabbings, politics, the destruction of friendships, the game stopped being fun. On a positive note I meet my current girlfriend there, and we both are extrememly happy with each other. We both quit WoW together after realizing we were only playing the game to chat with each other, why was I paying 15 bucks a month to IM? Well I took all my gold and items, found a brand new player and gave him everything and wished him luck. Now I play Guild Wars, a game with an actual end and 95% of it can be played all by yourself at your pace. No yelling, i can actually get up and walk away not worrying about anyone else, its a game thats fun to play for a couple hours, then I go play games with the girlfriend I meet in WoW.

Anonymous said...

Can you play WoW in the +60 raiding environment without ridiculous time commitments? Sure.
Can you setup scheduling systems to allow for people to cut and run when it is necessary? Sure.

People can play WoW in a raiding environment and not suffer the same sort of social-destruction; however, the game has many organization time sinks to facilitate this 'casual' play. Its not the guild members that absorb this downtime. The leaders absorb it.

The nature of end-game raiding requires organizational solutions that usually fall on the backs of human leaders. This is what is known as 'officer burnout'. This downtime has to be delt with at some point, or raids are slow to start and slow to move. A good leader structure absorbs this downtime at their own expense. Its a form of altruism where the self is sacrificed as the price for other people's utility.

The replies you have seen which complain that the poster 'did this to himself' are correct, but do not realize that it was empathy, social responsibility, and generally a good will that most likely motived Mr. Yeager.

In a digital world where a good many of the population are immature, unorganized, and just out for fun... a small group steps up to do the work required to 'play'. They are underappreciated, self sacrificing, and burn out quickly if not rotated. We call these people 'Grown Ups'. There is a short supply of them in the MMORPG world, and if they know what is good for them they will exit such games ASAP before they allow themselves to be exploited.

Anonymous said...

I used to be a DJ, spinning mad tracks and hooking up with hot chicks at raves. Then I thought to myself, "This isn't enough. I want to be a class leader!

ok just poking some fun at you a bit, but in all seriousness, i have kids and a wife and i play all the time, i wont sit here and say "its all about time managment" cus i slip up all the time

im glad for blogs and stories like this, it helps me to keep my eyes open, i know i walk a fine line in my position. i need to remain aware so that i dont slip into lala land and take away a father and husband and leave nothing behind but a guilds main tank

Anonymous said...

blAh I say...all your lives are belong to web!

Anonymous said...

Do you people read these things before getting defensive? He has claimed complete responsibility for his actions and isn't blaming himself. He has moved on and is working on getting his life back together. It's a good thing all of the "holier-than-thous" have found a new mission for the day. Before blasting someone who finally made a good decision, go do something worthwhile yourself. Like step in front of a bus.

Anonymous said...

Drama queen plays his final card. 1/10.

Anonymous said...

I agree with what your saying in this article. I myself am addicted to this damned game. And for those who are reading this, its not just nerds and losers who get addicted to this.

I can tell im slipping. Like you said, from your skills. I can't play guitar nearly as fast and perfect as I could. I haven't written any concept work lately. Congratulations on quitting. I shall one day.

Anonymous said...

Look at some of the people on the WoW design team. Former Everquest high end game players. It's no suprise this game has gone to what it is right now with time commitments and such. Now they're planning to lower the requirements to do these end game things somewhat and lessen the commitment of people. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.

I'll finish this off with a little RP to the article author.

"May the Earthmother watch over you in your real life travels."

Anonymous said...

I quit and deleted my level 60 warlock (when that was the max level) over a year ago. I experienced some of the same things the article describes, grinding & repeating the same instances for the same eye candy everyone else is walking around in, mainly so you can grind some more only 'better'. It's a never ending cycle and when you step back it makes no sense in the real world.

I'm glad I played WoW for a while, it's an amazing game but I'm also glad I was able to step away when I saw it was eating up my time & life for false 'rewards'. You have to be able to step AFK with a game like this or it will undermine other facets of your life.

Anonymous said...

What happens in all reality is a lack of being fullfilled; with the happenings in their life. I have no life outside of wow, and I'm into to it because it fills this void that I have. This doesn't mean it affects me outside of my life. I work from 7-5 having to be up at 5:30 and @ 10 after a good solid dinner that I make I'm off to bed. It's discipline.

What I do have a problem is this perception of the relationships you had with these people as being unreal in some way.. Ready this and understand that just as you bailed on your friends to play wow you did the same thing just in reverse.

http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/essay1.shtml

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised people have the attention span for this game. My friend used to play. I played for 20 minutes, and WAS BORED OUT OF MY MIND. Is it just my ADD, or the outrageous amount of time it takes to do anything in that game!

Anonymous said...

I just quit Wow a few weeks ago at lvl 52, not because i was addicted, but it wasnt fun anymore, i was getting dissatisfied with the game at my lvl and began to look ahead at what 60 had in store for me. Raiding was it. Which staying up all night to get better gear to raid better dungeons to get better gear didnt seem like fun. Coupled with school and my real life, i decided there wasnt anytime for that, plus the $15 a month was getting old.

Anonymous said...

This to all of you who want to say that this is simply whining. Or that it is the persons fault not the games.

In your head you are as right as you'll ever be, Unfortunantly you can say the same thing to the guy on crack if you feel cold enough. Thus your perseption or point of view is in your head, and as I am not in your head I can't show you the truth of the matter. But I can try.

what realy disgusts me about the way you all feel that you have some write and need to say that its not the games fault and that it is the persons error, is that you are simply saying it to defend yourself. You want to be able to keep up the status-que without having to consider your actions. You do not want to face the fact that this game (as with almost all other games, including most that go under the title of "educational") is an utter and complete waste of your time.

Now mind you I have not come to rag on games nor have I said that games are evil I am saying this because I am disgusted, D I S G U S T E D, with the way you pour out your judgement in order to justify yourself in your pleasnt little course of action. You want to continue and the fact that these people have pointed out to you what you already know full well, that odds are every second you spend on a game is a second wasted, and you can not accept that, so you deny it. Thus in order to silence the voice that reminds you of your error you debunk it in your own mind. Demonstrating your lack of self-worth, wisdom, and general intelect.

Now I do apologies for useing such harsh words with you but what you need to see is this. It is mostly with the person, it is entirely a display of will, and it is a vial waste of time and a plauge upon our lives. Do not say that they are simply whining about their weaknesses because you do not want it to be a stone in your shoe. Because it is a matter of will, a lack of your willingness to say that this game is simply an out from your day, it is a window into another world where the soul objective is endless entertainment and mattiearialism. If you are convicted about the time you are wasting on this or anyother game dont try and blame them for what you do not want to be, change what you are doing, or at least keep your muckracking excuse making to yourself and not rag on people who have felt that conviction and, unlike you, been willing to go with it and stop the course of action that is keeping them from living fully.

To all of you who have stoped playing WoW or discontinued any wastful/selfdestructive course of action, well done for you have maid up your mind have been faithful to it. I thank you for not keeping silent, and I pray you do not listen to the empty rambleings of those who are unwilling to give honest consideration to their choices, but would rather mock yours.

Anonymous said...

Only one thing to say, learn to manage real life and the game. If you are playing the game for 12 hours or more a day, you DESERVE to gain 30 pounds, lose your wife/girlfriend, and your sense of self. Thats just ridiculous, I have been playing this game since release and not ONCE have I let WoW interfere with real life events. If you are that consumed by a game then society doesn't need you, stay in your room with the lights off.

Anonymous said...

I think he just can't get his priorities straight.

He has a choice between living in the game and living in the real world. In the game, he is *somebody* - he has a position of power, he is respected.

In the real world, he is nobody, just some dude who posted something to some blog.

So he needs to choose which of these worlds to live in, and it looks like he picked wrong.

The real world has no purpose beyond housing and feeding your body. He somehow missed that lesson.

Somehow he got all confused about looking for the "end game". Well, the "end game" in the real world is death. Is that somehow better?

He's sure free to make his own decisions, but it is sad to see someone make a wrong decision like this. Someday, hopefully, he will come to his senses. I'm sure WoW will welcome him back.

Anonymous said...

The problem lies in the game being fun. Its fun, a lot of fun. Fun to the nth degree. Its just.....fun.

I'm still an active player, and have no illusions about the amount of time I play. Right now I probably play 45 - 50 hours a week, most of that time being from the hours of 10pm to 4 - 6am. I raid three times a week, and am trying to maintain balance in my life with the game.

Balance is hard when there is so much to do, though. People should realize that this stuff is supposed to take time, not be done in one or two nights as quickly as possible.

Farming out exalted rep with a faction is supposed to take weeks and or months. More content comes out quickly, so gamers should feel that there will always be something to do. That doesn't mean THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL RIGHT NOW AND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

Oi. Seriously.

"All things should be taken in moderation. Including World of Warcraft"

If it wasn't warcraft, it would have been heroin. Be thankful that you did the electronic crack addiction and not the real one ok?

Anonymous said...

So you quit WOW good for you... Meh thats just one more person I don't need to beat to a quest item.

Anonymous said...

This is a great post man. I used to waste my life away playing an MMORPG called Runescape. It was great because my two best friends in real life, and other real life friends, all played, and it gave us something to talk about during school.

I got sick of being hacked in this very insecure game, and I quit. When I finally stepped back at it and looked it it, I realized how my of my life I had just wasted. The next school year after quitting, I met the girl of my dreams, and I'm still with her today.

Games are a good escape, a getaway that is entertaining, but I stay away from RPGs for this reason. I like to play FPS every now and then, and I have a ton of them, if I'm in the mood for a great online game, I'll play some Counter-Strike: Source, if I want a single player FPS with a great storyline, I'll play Half-Life 2. If I want to play a strategy game, there's always StarCraft or WarCraft III. If I'm in the mood for a single player FPS with great special effects and great firefights, I'll play F.E.A.R.

Generally, you won't get addicted to FPS games (obviously it can happen, but probably not as easily as you could to RPGs).

I'm glad I stopped playing Runescape. I still stay up late, but not as late, I have a lot of time to spend with my girlfriend, or friends if they want to hang out, and I have a lot more time for myself.

I'm a huge computer geek and I like to learn about them. As soon as I stopped playing Runescape I took up tons of stuff, starting with IRC (and mIRC scripting). In a few months, I was using Linux, and I learned so much. I now know XHTML + CSS, pretty good PHP, basic C, and a whole bunch more. I'm still learning today.

I would not know the stuff I know tdoay if I still played Runescape.

Anonymous said...

Can I have your stuff?

Anonymous said...

I understand where you are coming from... but I'm not sure quiting WoW is the right response... If someone with your cred in the game were to set up a 'casual' gaming guide that encourages people to have fun in WoW while playing no more than 10 hours a week, I think it might have a much more positive impact.

Personally I play WoW primarily while working out - we have a laptop and a flatscreen monitor beside our excercise bike. I play probably about 6 or 7 hours a week on average, and in about a year of playing, I've got one char up to level 52, plus a couple of alts. I have a lot of fun, tend to group with other people playing at the same pace, and haven't really felt a lot of pressure to play the game more than I do.

I guess my point is that WoW doesn't have to own your life, and that it can still be a heck of a lot of fun even if you put in less than 10 hrs a week on it.

Anonymous said...

As a person still playing WOW, who fits into the "casual gamer" description described above, I found the article fascinating to read. And I found the array of responses just as fascinating.

I don't think of Blizzard, the seller of WoW as an evil drug pusher. They are selling entertainment that many are using as mere entertainment. This doesn't mean it isn't addictive. Alcohol is used by many in moderation yet it is addictive to a number of people.

For those who say don't get addicted to it, or "get some will power", then they have no concept of addiction. Having been a cigarette smoker I know how tough it is to beat an addiction. All your fellow addicts don't want you to quit. WOW is purely a psychological/ sociological addiction. But that does not make it less real. I can see the temptation it creates and I know I personally have to set limits for myself.

I am also fortunate I am in a guild that is not overly ambitious and demanding on my time. But then I have seen those personality types come and go through my guild.

I also don't think it is Player vs Player as opposed to Player vs Environment. I think WOW is addictive because it is tailored to everybody's desires. They have improved over the games that have gone before by making the game as flexible to your likes and dislikes as possible. Some people do not like PvP. So they have PvE servers. If you love PvP then they have servers for that too. If you don't want to interact with others in the game then you can do that too. If you don't want to kill "people" because this bothers your sensitivites then you can kill fantasy monsters. If you like problem solving then there are quests for that as well.

Some people love the social interaction ... some people hate it. Again, you can have whatever you want in the game. It is also always there and always nearby.

You can choose safe activities and level more slowly, or take more chances. That appeals to gamblers.

It is seductive. I hope I can keep it in the "just for fun" category. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the addictive side either.

Anonymous said...

I spent over a year in wow as well, I had 3 level 60s chars was a MT for one of the largest guilds on my server. After being a MT for some runs I realized that I wasn’t having any fun and it was more stressful then my daily life. All I did was eat, sleep and play wow I realized it was time to quit and haven’t played for a year and will never play it again. WoW was extremely fun for me level 1-50 after that it became a grind fest and more of a routine then a gaming experience. Because of wow I will probably never touch another mmorpg, to much time wasted. I have seen people loose jobs, relationships and have read of people who have lost there lives playing this game.

Anonymous said...

holy god this reads EXACTLY like my WOW experience from START to FINISH.

I busted my ass in the gym and got into great shape, better than I ever had been before... for a month I kept it up while I played WoW, then one night when I was going to go in to work out, I said to myself... "not today, I will raid with my guild instead". You probably know now it just went downhill from there.

I wish I could go back in time and kick myself in the face for making that decision.

After playing from the closed beta up until a few months ago (total play time about a year and a half)), most of it in an end-game guild that was on the bleeding edge of progression.. I left behind a fully epic tier 2 geared level 60 mage with loads of assorted epics/good reputation/etc, and I don't regret quiting one bit.

I'm sticking to FPS games for now. I can hop in a server and obliterate my competition and be DONE and happy in an hour.

Anonymous said...

Good to know that I finally found a WoW support group. J/k. I myself have officially quit playing. I can totally see how people can get addicted and almost did myself. I was lucky, I never really got involved in a guild, usually playing a hunter or a lock. So I never really had too much pressure, just a random group here or there when I needed it. It is good in moderation, but too much can truly be hazardous.
Thank you for sharing your experience and I do hope that this will help some.
Take it easy.

-Animal

Anonymous said...

I quit Everquest for pretty much the same reasons you stated. I was at the top of the game, top of the server for years, and just had something of an epiphany (breakdown?) one day and gave it all up. My PC crashed one day and I pulled out the drive and put it in the Mac so I wouldn't even be tempted to resurrect the old machine.
I just installed WoW on the Mac because a friend paid for the account, and I'm hesitant to even talk to people for fear I'll be drawn into a guild. I've been soloing/questing, and that's OK for now, but I can feel the monkey trying to climb up my back again.
I realize I'm addicted to online interaction (16 year IRC junkie), and I've always been into fantasy RPG, both tabletop and computerized.
Congrats on your decision to escape from the escape and focus on the physical world. Good luck maintaining it. Now that you see the signs, they'll be easier to keep an eye on.
For those commenters who say to consider the source of the addiction, they have a point. Addiction is a treatable disorder. But it requires a support network to help keep from falling back into the same old patterns with the same substance (game) or a new one.

Anonymous said...

I'm happy about the fact you made it out, makes me want to quit aswell.

But I can't, not just yet.. just have to loot a couple more epics.

Anonymous said...

Bien dit et merci!

Anonymous said...

LOOSERS!!! u guys cant control yourself!!!!!!! its a game!!!! you wanna play? play!!! u dont wanna? DONT! but dont blame the game for ur own stupidity! u guys are so pathetic that u cant quit a game?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the insight. About 6 or 7 years ago i was sucked into Everquest for about a year. I remember the first night out of the game was amazing. For whatever reason, i lost a lot of interest in gaming since then. Don't get me wrong, i still love to delve into a truling great game but it happens less and less frequent. I am at the point now where I'd rather spend time out with friends or (*SHOCK*) do my homework. It gets better with time trust me, and if you want, then maybe one day you can go back. Addictions are scary, but one of the best life lessons around, as long as you treat it right. Congrads man.

Anonymous said...

Bravo for coming out and leaving WoW behind. I, too, almost went end-game crazy and was addicted to WoW for a brief period of time. I was also a guild leader of a medium size guild, and can understand the tough times u went thru. It is a fact tho that WoW is addictive. I am learning to take it in moderation. Some days, the temptation is really strong, but most of the time, I still wake up early to jog, do my hw and have fun doing other activities. Now i play wow for only a few hours to chill and relax.

point in case: you are right! be strong and don't go back in there ever! Most people do =p

Anonymous said...

It's just another opiate, another fun thing. And most fun things can be used as a means of escape. But let's not forget that some people are driven to and lose themselves in these games because there is so much to escape from in this world. In a world where everyone starts at level 0 and with the same amount of gold, accomplishments start to look more real than anything that can be done by the average person with average opportunities. I find that a lot of people who play WoW and MUDs/MUSHs even more so, are somehow disenfranchised, be they poor, undereducated, minority, etc. Perhaps if there were more things that the underserved could accomplish and feel good about in this world people would not be using multiple player games - or heroin, cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes, religion, etc - as another means of escape.

Not disagreeing with what is said at all - just stressing some points because I wouldn't want the nightly news to play this and then say "and so you shouldn't play those games, people". Moderation is key, when it's an option. ;)

Amy Pronovost said...

At one point I was a 12 hour a week player, or less. Then I got into raiding, I realized 6 months later that it was interfering with my life, so I stopped.

I still play the game, but my RL dictates when i can play, not the other way around. Sometimes I will schedule things in game, but that's once, maybe twice, a week at most.

Since I've learned moderation my social life has gotten a ton better and I've been doing art. :D

There are some weeks where I *do* play too much, but once again I'm down to around 12-14 hours a week on average.

Anonymous said...

70 day played???

that is nothing try 175 days

Anonymous said...

I read your posts and I think about everything in my life. I race cars, I work hard, I want a big house and lots of "stuff." I cant think of many things in most peoples lives that they dont strive for the same way, it's a matter of balance.

Good for you for working on your problems, hopefully one of the young ones here will pick up on it. For these kids though where are their parents? Thank god for my mom and dad being there to drop the hammer when i started to slip out of reality, I always catch myself now, but I recognize my personality can be that way so I'm straight edge and I dont mess with things that can really hurt me.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on choosing the real world over The Matrix. I'm sure you'll find it more rewarding out here.

BTW...

:: climbs on soapbox ::

escapism != addiction

People choose to play WoW because it's more fun than managing the minutiae in their lives, not because they are "addicted to WoW!!!1ones!11". Nobody is being "enabled" here. They would simply also rather play WoW than manage their minutiae. Don't blame** Blizzard.

You could avoid your life by joining a book club. Nobody's ever claimed an "addiction to reading".

This "addiction" is a lack of discipline and time management skills. Don't undermine the severity of real problems by misusing the word.

**(blame Al Gore, if he hadn't invented the internet we wouldn't be in this mess)

Anonymous said...

I say job well done Man. I've been considering the same for some time now. I have a Wife, Kids and a Well paying Job that I used to spend time with. If love = time then I'm fuked....Ironically, I quit WOW some time ago but my RL friends begged me to come back. Now we're not even in the same guild! I'm kicking the habit, cold turkey, forever....but starting tomorrow b/c I have a raid tonite.

Anonymous said...

Friends of mine are always trying to get me to play WoW, before that EQ... I was a MUD addict and failed out of college because of it. I gave it up, went back, did fine with a job and a MUD, ended up becoming an IMP on that MUD and will never, EVER go back to a game like that.

Congrats on getting out, man. I only wish some of my friends could manage the same. I miss some of them.

Anonymous said...

thank you - that was an important thing to read

Anonymous said...

I quit online rpg (LineageII) after doing some lsd... Psychedelic helps me, thanks god.
Now i quit gaming completely and live real life.

Anonymous said...

me? i play Guild Wars the free MMORPG. I try to play on the weekends at the most but sometimes I play once a month. Thankfully a "real-life" friend runs the guild so i don't get kicked. You got it alright about these games man. I know someone who was going to be a doctor thn he just started playing. Thankfully he quit. (once I uninstalled the game and took the install CD)

Anonymous said...

jesus christ, dude

"From my vantage point as a guild decision maker, I've seen it destroy more families and friendships and take a huge toll on individuals than any drug on the market today, and that means a lot coming from an ex-club DJ."

you have GOT to be kidding me... so WoW actually destroys more lives than crack or amphetamines or lsd? perhaps your long nights of djing have seriously farked up your brain

don't blame your inability to moderate on WoW (or any MMO, for that matter) unless you're also willing to preach the evils of alcohol, casual sex and anything else that can be "addicting"

seriously, the fact that the other posters agree w/ you simply indicates that they have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and can only nod sagely because they're dimwits

anyway, go find jesus and stop blaming the world for your own time-management problems

Anonymous said...

Silly Rabbit, the internet is for porn, not online gaming!!! (I'm sure plenty of the guildies you spoke of who's relationships were failing collapsed because of cybering with other people, though. Wait, cybering isn't cheating...)

Anonymous said...

I am sorry the game had such a negative impact on your life. I play but it certainly has not had an impact on me like what you described. Anyways, happy to hear you have come to grips with what you feel you need. Best of luck.

Anonymous said...

ps: yes, i did play wow, yes, i did have online friends that i enjoyed hanging out immensely w/ and yes, i was in one of the best guilds in my servers. you know what? i managed my time, enjoyed the game and never felt the "addiction" to play -- o did RL shat and if i had more time right now, i'd still be playing

so once again, it once again comes down to "do you have self-control or not?"

like i said, don't blame lack of self-control on the game...

Anonymous said...

"anyway, go find jesus and stop blaming the world for your own time-management problems"

I don't see him throwing blame around. Read the whole article.

Anonymous said...

You gotta keep it in perspective though, WoW isn't the problem alone. People sit there and say they're quitting WoW just to add in another random game addiction. If you're gonna quit, quit gaming. The thing that frustrates me worst is when people go on about how much stress it is, how its changing them, how they feel this or that and that they're doing something for them and QUITTING THE GAME only to run off to games like DDO or EVE online. If you're gonna quit, then quit but stop being a freakin' hypocrite and running off for your next fix.

Anonymous said...

As with anything, too much is too much. Blaming the mechanics of the game (it is open-ended) is an "out" to avoid blaming yourself for not having your priorities in order.

Your post was sickening to read, not so much because of the long hours and bitter anecdotes, but because you absolutely can't take responsibility for your own actions.

You really need to take yet another step back and fix the deeper problems in your life. Escaping to WoW (or any other thing) is a reflection of problems within yourself, and if you don't sort it out you'll most likely settle into some equally "life wasting" activity which you'll "escape" from later.

Anonymous said...

"so once again, it once again comes down to "do you have self-control or not?"

like i said, don't blame lack of self-control on the game..."

You suck at life.

Anonymous said...

Yin Yang Baby

Don't blame the game, it doing what it supposed to. It's just like blaming drugs, the cool part is you got the skill to realize destructive behavoir.

Blame your parents and education. They spend so much time saying stay away from drugs when they should be teaching balance is the key to life. Anything done in extream (drugs, games, work, religion, eating, etc) is usually self destructive. People need to be taught to identify such behavoir rather then identify the "drug" of the day.

Good job WOW you must have made one hell of a game, it would seem that it's better than real life for alot of people.

Anonymous said...

You suck at life.

apparently i do, but not quite as much as the blogger up there

Anonymous said...

A rule I setup was to never play a game if something in Real life was available or you had a responsibilty that has to be done. Gaming should be done in free time!

The cardinal sin is to cancel plans because of some stupid in game event. If you have ever done that you should feel ashamed and never do it again.

Anonymous said...

based on the # of posts here...

it amazes me to see how this game sucks smart, decent people in. these are not "addicts" seeking a drug of choice.

Anonymous said...

You were obviously not hardcore enough, 30 epics? thats all? 80 days played?

Noob

Anonymous said...

I don't see him throwing blame around. Read the whole article.

Oh no?

Simple: Blizzard has created an alternate universe where we don't have to be ourselves when we don't want to be. From my vantage point as a guild decision maker, I've seen it destroy more families and friendships and take a huge toll on individuals than any drug on the market today, and that means a lot coming from an ex-club DJ.

I guess he's not really blaming this product of blizzard after all...

And comparing it to drugs is laughable, at best. Ask any druggie if a WoW addiction is anywhere near a drug addiction and they'll laugh at you. Right before they offer to suck your dick for crack money.

Anonymous said...

"Any form of addiction is bad, whether the narcotic is alcohol or morphine or idealism."

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Anonymous said...

Lineage 2 is very much like the WoW addiction. after 2 1/2 years and a lvl 78/78/67 character.....im finally come to the conclusion that im bored.

Anonymous said...

Similar to a former alcoholic saying alcohol is bad, and just telling all the bad things about it.

Not everyone takes it to that degree.

And there are just as many good things about the game also.

Anonymous said...

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/25305-discovers-mmos-can-addicting.html

A support group for you.

Anonymous said...

"I simply did not have the self-control necessary to play a game like this... "

The problem isn't self control in my opinion it's the fact that the game makes you relinquish self control at some point to excel. If you want to continue to play at all and be competitive and non repetitive you have to raid for long long hours and do ridiculous things like PVP in a sub par PVP system for ages. I really don't understand how EQ and WoW have gotten such a following.

I'm addicted to MMO's myself and tend to hole up playing for a month then just about put it down completely for a few months.

I'm glad you got out I've seen some real pieces of work in MMO gaming and there was a time my now wife which everyone says is hot as hell would try to get in my pants and my response was not now I'm running a raid. The fact that other people depend on you makes a big difference and fosters this all or nothing mentality. At the end you have to realise one thing I think. The people that really need you need you to do things that aren't alawys fun like help them move and such. In games ppl need you and you're doing something you enjoy. Real life is tough and you can't just sit lazily on your ass and make people happy where in the game you can. It's almost an easy way out syndrome. Lazy people like myself get caught up in it all to easily.

Anonymous said...

wtb a life.

Anonymous said...

I'm not addicted. I can quit any time I want.

Anonymous said...

get a gun and get it over with.
you suck at life.

Anonymous said...

Great Story man, I'm a GM with the same story...

peace

Anonymous said...

Ok so how do you get someone to stop playing? My mom has been playing Finial Fantasy 11 from the time it came out. I know I sadly gave it to her as a mother’s day gift. She is over addicted to the game. Her life now revolves around the game. I have never played it. Most of my family now plays the game and it causes problems between the family members. It has kept most of them in somewhat contact. I have never sat and played the game and I won’t because I have too many other responsibilities. For the first 2 years I lived with my mom now I don't and can't. I ask her to dinner and most of the time she says no because she has some game thing to do. To go anywhere she has to take her lap top. She has grand kids 11 of them and 5 kids. My dad says nothing because i guess she is not out spending money but she does spend money on the game. OH yes instead of farming it she goes and buys it and not just for her but for the people that play with her in the game. She has lost friends and thought she made friends in the game but all just used her for things and out of the game. She does not take good care of herself and the people who live with her play the game and nothing else to. My dad words far from home and is not home often so he is not into the game or what happens on a day to day. What can I do? I want my mom back.

Anonymous said...

Great Story man, I'm a GM with the same story...

peace

Anonymous said...

This story really hit me hard - it sounds so much like me its spooky. I'm a recovering WoW addict. I still play the game - I currently play about 6-12 hours a week, where before I was playing about 6-8 hours a day, seven days a week. At the height of my addiction I was in two guilds with two characters at the same time. I was a founding member of two guilds, and an officer in another. Before I used to raid because it gave me a sense of purpose and in-game social status. Right now I play WoW because I'm lonely in RL (I have Aspergers), and its still nice to be able to "hang out" with some people in-game, raiding Naxxramas, the top-tier dungeon in the game. In the end several things caused me to quit WoW. I got a great job after being unemployed for a year, and I almost lost my girlfriend of 11 years after she ended up becoming even more addicted to the game than me. I don't regret my year of WoW addiction. I learned a lot about myself ... I learned how I could be focused, how to work with other people, how to lead and how to be patient. I was an extremely popular officer ... I stepped down months ago, but I still have people asking me if I want to come out of retirement. I'm lucky I guess. I got appreciated for the massive amount of effort I put into making the game work for others. But now the spell is broken, and I just cannot bear being in the game for more than 2-3 hours at a stretch. I skip raids, come up with excuses to spend time in RL with my girlfriend, etc etc. I had a good ride while it lasted, and was lucky enough to make out to the other side.

Thanks for sharing your story with us!

Anonymous said...

I think it is an addiction similar to alcohol, drugs or gambling. I find myself playing more and getting less accomplished at home. I recently cut back to playing 1 day on weekends and 1 night a week. Have to set limits for myself just like I set limits for my 14 year old son - no gaming during the week for him! Not on a school night.

Anonymous said...

I left EverQuest 2 about 9 months ago, also being a raid/guild leader and main tank for a med-large successful guild. After about a week my position had been filled and I had been all but forgotten. My wife, my family, my friends all told me that I had a problem with the EverSmack, but I chose to tune them out. After almost a year, looking back I am so glad that I quit. To those that say there is no blame to be laid on Blizzard or Sony for their products, I can say that I agree with you to a point. It is always my decision to play or not, but for people like the author and myself, it turns into an addiction that the developers hope/intend for. I won't outright blame Sony for my addiction because it was me playing the game, and my addictive personality that lead to my unhealthy gaming, but I do feel that they are somewhat responsible, to me it's intangable how exactly they are to blame, but I haven't ever been addicted to anything else in life, so why this? Just my 2cp.

Anonymous said...

So..

The only one sure way to know if somebody is truely your friend is to see if they will stick with you even through your World of Warcraft phase.

Petrus said...

I've only been playing since May.

I tried forming my own guild a bit back...everyone ended up leaving at around level 40 to go and be a member of one of the "leet" end-game guilds on our server. (Jubei'Thos) I let them go and didn't protest it or complain in the end...although in the process of forming the guild, I lost a real-life friend who started power tripping and getting me to resign as GM. I kicked him out...but it broke up soon after anywayz. Now I just do WC and other lowbie instance runs, recruit newbs, help them get to level 40, and then let them leave if they want to...as well as playing on the auction house. Either that or log on, have a few rounds of wsg, and log off again.

The competitive and guild aspect really started stressing me out for a while as well...I learned some lessons.

a) If you're going to play this game at all, make the only person who you compete with yourself. Don't care about what anyone else is doing, if they have a mount, etc. Make your advancement about you and only you.

b) Do not go near guilds. Any guild at all. Do not form one, and do not join one. Guilds are the *sole* reason for the addictive element of this game. They're also the sole reason for any pain and suffering that you will experience. If you play unguilded, you will have no trouble playing casually. Don't worry about instances, either. PUGs are always available. Yes, they're a bit more hit or miss in the short term, but they won't do you anything like the long term damage that a guild will.

c) Realise that for the most part, this game dies after around level 30. Once you get past that point, there is simply a long, hard, fairly tedious slog up to the end game instances.

Anonymous said...

Play DDO. You can play in much more discreet time slices and no farming!

I used to play Lineage II and started having the same problem with addictiveness.

DDO is much more manageable.

Anonymous said...

WoW = Widowmaker

In a sense I don't think that WoW is that much different from tobacco, alcohol or harder drugs - simply because the results of over-doing it are the same: relationships break, people loose jobs and get kicked out of their appartments, and worse. There is that percentage of people who get addicted to different things a lot easier than others and these types of games cause a lot of bad stuff to happen. Most of these addicts don't even realize they have a problem - just like alcoholics. I've read some truly horrifying stuff from these support group forums at the net where both husbands/wives/friends and players talk about the problems the game is causing.

Playing too much is a relatively new "disease", or atleast when it comes down for other people to acknowledge it - it's not anything that a simple "get a grip" would fix. These people have a problem and luckily for them some people have realized this and opened clinics for game addicts.

I've been on and off with WoW and most often the reason for quitting is the simple realization of the fact that nothing is good enough. Now that the first expansion comes, all those hard fought epic gears count for nothing - the first enemy you're to meet in the expansion prolly drops better gear. It's downright insane and Bliz doesn't even try to hide the fact that they're not even trying.

Why do I come back? Well, the game works. It's a nice piece of engineering and thus, it's pretty effortless to play. Altough the main reason is that many of my friends play it and our guild has grown into a cluster of friend groups. It's never too hardcore and of course when the average age is above 30, peaking at near 60, we don't have to suffer from teens who don't know how to behave or function as a part of something bigger than yourself. We play _together_ and at best it's great fun.

However, no matter how you look at it, WoW takes _a lot_ of time - time that which is away from something else.

Cheers,

- Finlander

Anonymous said...

WoW = Widowmaker

In a sense I don't think that WoW is that much different from tobacco, alcohol or harder drugs - simply because the results of over-doing it are the same: relationships break, people loose jobs and get kicked out of their appartments, and worse. There is that percentage of people who get addicted to different things a lot easier than others and these types of games cause a lot of bad stuff to happen. Most of these addicts don't even realize they have a problem - just like alcoholics. I've read some truly horrifying stuff from these support group forums at the net where both husbands/wives/friends and players talk about the problems the game is causing.

Playing too much is a relatively new "disease", or atleast when it comes down for other people to acknowledge it - it's not anything that a simple "get a grip" would fix. These people have a problem and luckily for them some people have realized this and opened clinics for game addicts.

I've been on and off with WoW and most often the reason for quitting is the simple realization of the fact that nothing is good enough. Now that the first expansion comes, all those hard fought epic gears count for nothing - the first enemy you're to meet in the expansion prolly drops better gear. It's downright insane and Bliz doesn't even try to hide the fact that they're not even trying.

Why do I come back? Well, the game works. It's a nice piece of engineering and thus, it's pretty effortless to play. Altough the main reason is that many of my friends play it and our guild has grown into a cluster of friend groups. It's never too hardcore and of course when the average age is above 30, peaking at near 60, we don't have to suffer from teens who don't know how to behave or function as a part of something bigger than yourself. We play _together_ and at best it's great fun.

However, no matter how you look at it, WoW takes _a lot_ of time - time that which is away from something else.

Cheers,

- Finlander

Anonymous said...

70 played, lol!!! I think I got that on my alt!!! And I aint playing 24/7!

Anonymous said...

Sure you can say he isn't blaming the game, but what he has done is written something that people who have never played an MMORPG will read and get a negative impression of what it is to be an MMORGP gamer.

It's like everything else in life, potentially addictive. It's definitely up to the individuals to have a sense of reality and remember RL > WoW.

Have to say that from a happy responsible gamers point of view, the post is unneccesarily negative.

-Peace

Anonymous said...

My current girlfriend broke up with her last boyfriend because of WoW

Anonymous said...

Wow, you sound like a fat pathetic loser

Anonymous said...

Can I have your stuff?

Anonymous said...

Can I have your stuff?

Anonymous said...

Time Management is obviously not something genetically coded as shown by the polarity of posters here in those who sympathize and those who can't believe people are so pathetic they don't have the ability. As with anything learned there is no guarantee a person is given the training while growing up.

I am one of those that is terrible with time management. As a exGM in DAoC/CS I always supported people who gave Real Life priority (especialy school) while at the same time spun my own wheels in life. Its not that I couldn't see I was not living in reality, I just didn't seem to care. I didn't have GF/Wife/Children that counted on me, so I had no one but myself to care for which was lucky, and maybe unlucky as no one was there to complain at my lack of living in reality.

I have been through similar addition as the poster for many years longer than I wish to think (D2,CS,DAOC). It has not ruined my life, but I have nothing to show for all those hours. The leadership rolls are nothing but pain in the end. Hours spent catering to others, while having to pay money to play counselor/mentor/... In the end you may be missed by few, but the memory of you is erased from the game and you are left with nothing. However the feeling of beeing needed, wanted, is powerful to the point that you give up the real world to be online for others.

Yes the games are designed to be addictive, just as drugs don't take much to get you those first highs the games start with quick and easy gratification and slowly make that much more difficult to obtain, just as the high from a drug takes more with continued usage.

CoH was a great example of this, within minutes of starting you were saving random NPC's from roaming gangs. Once saved the would randomly return if you survied to thank you by name calling you "their hero" and giving you a gift in return. Fortuantely the "High" got too difficult to obtain quickly so I got away early.

At the end of the day games are time/money sinks, but the game manufacturers adore those who get addicted (unless it brings bad press). I wish there was a way to explain to future addicts the pain/loss associated with their decisions, but no one seems to have figured out how to teach that yet.

I just wish those of you who are "Better" because you can manage your time and didn't get sucked in could see the real pain these games have caused. We aren't asking for your sympathy, but instead wish our pain would not be repeated while companies get rich by designing to abuse us "Pathetic" people.

Blaming Mythic/Sony/Blizzard for preying on us may be justified, but if they didn't then someone else would. They are just providing the easy life people all wish they could have.

Anonymous said...

Like any tobacco company, the goal of these gaming company is to make something that the users will come back for more and more. This is a whole new kind of addition that no has really dealt with before. If this trend continues, I won't be surprised to see lawsuits coming...

Anonymous said...

Someone just IM-ed me the link to the article and as I know many people that play WoW I had a quick glance through.

Then I looked at the scrollbar to see how long the article is and was shocked to see I was not even 1/10th of the way. Thankfully however I was near the end of the article, the end being a storm of comments and replies.

So I just rhetorically wonder: how different are all these blog-hunters which jump at the chance of showing their wit and keenness and sharing their experiences by posting daily on as many (popular) blogs as they can from the poor souls trapped in WoW?...

Let's face it - internet is addictive and its myriad of social-networking facets are becoming more and more powerful. WoW is merely one of them. myspace is another and so is youtube. Blogging is arguably more elevated, more diverse, perhaps less structured, but.. in the end is just another escape from reality. Or an immersion into a different reality.

Anonymous said...

I was one of the "useless" 12-20 hours a week players, but even so, I played that every week for over 2 years (since the 2nd closed beta) and it was still difficult to get out. I switched to Eve Online a few months ago, and it has worked pretty well as a "methadone" to the heroine that is WoW, but I'm still temped to come back. It isn't just WoW though, Blizzard makes some damn good games. I know I played Diablo and Diablo II for about as much time, or longer, a week as WoW, and for about 2 years for each of those as well. Maybe I'm just a 2 year "bitch" for Blizzard games :)

Anonymous said...

sweet i'm going to quit too and spend more time with my family thanks

Anonymous said...

I have done the 'illegal' drugs. Not the regular stuff that all college kids do (well I do that too), but I have done harder stuff than that.

And I don't care. I wasn't addicted at all. I have no addictive personality....

Except Blizzard games.

Oh how I love blizzard games. I'm not even that good at them! In 100% of the Blizzard game I would play it for fun. For starcraft I either continuously lost on purpose or backstabbed or played use-map-settings games which people invented. Warcraft 3 and TFT was the same.

World of warcraft is no different. It's been nearly two years and I'm still farming Molten Core with yet another guild. What the hell is this crap? Can you possibly raid a dungeon for a year (minus 3 months in Hong Kong and 3 months finding a new guild)? Whenever I think of that I freak out and get depressed.

And rightly so. I should really quit this game but my guild has spent GOOD VIRTUAL MONIES to get me the gear to tank the bosses, and I am just *this* close to getting back to where I was when I first stopped raiding.

Drives me insane. Quitting this game would only:

- allow me to have free time
- allow me to work out every day
- allow me to have more sleep at night
- allow me to not feel guilty when I overeat, because I work out
- allow a more balanced diet to not have to accomodate incessant lethargy
- allow me to take up some courses to better myself
- and free me from the bind of this game

If I stay at this game

- it will be destroyed in a few years
- it will be outdated
- my character will be deleted
- my gold will be deleted
- nobody will give a damn that I killed a big and ugly dragon. Oooh big deal.


God, this puts it in perspective...but damn, being Main Tank. The responsibility. Goddamnit.

Anonymous said...

I have also fallen victim to the time(life) consuming game that we call WoW or any RPGs. This is my first true game that makes me feel obligated to log on and hit hope to god that if i hit enough buttons within any given hour that i will be rewarded with "loot" and be able to hit more buttons that will satisfy myself and other guildies. The basic principles of the game itself were interesting to me and got me hooked at first. Developing an idol of what I could have been in some off distant world was very enjoyable. I realized though as I would play I, my own time would discenigrate into thin air. Having delt with my parents divorce it was convientent to log on and forget it all. The escape or enjoyment was helpful to get through it all. Recently I hit /played and saw 100days +, I cried. I called everyone I knew(300+ people in my school) and told them how sorry I was and that for the next 100 days of my life would be spent with all of them each day. I set out on a journey met everyone of them in that 100 day span playing footbll to going to an opera in philly. It was an astonishing experience to know what everyone was about and how they felt about my phone call. Friends telling me face to face they can't go back to the old ways to peope who we cried the time we spent. I made sure though to let them know how much i cared espically the girl of my life. I saved for the last day my girlfriend of 3 years. It was truly an amazing experience, one I will never forget. The lessons I have learned from WoW have been of "epic" proportions. It has been about 3 months since I quit, The change in me is evident I am told. So to all you who have quit the addiction that is WoW I praise you for strength and pray for all the others who continue to give their valuable lives away to a coroperation who has struck gold on a true drug.

Anonymous said...

great post, however i don't think one can blame blizzard of anything, ot's just a company in search of a profit - it's all about personal choices, noone forces us on to the game. i have been a hardcore rpg player since i was like 8yo, i'm 25 now, and i don't play anymore.

Anonymous said...

Cry a fucking river. If you can't demonstrate some sliver of self-control then it is your own damn fault.

And trying to pull off the claim that WoW is hard is like saying breathing is difficult. Though...with oxygen thieves like you running around whining over a carebear game all the time it's no wonder some might think so.

Anonymous said...

An excellent artile. WoW isn't the problem, it's MMORPGs in general. They are too intense, too fascinating and too available. I played Anarchy Online for over a year, got quite high (nothing major) and decided to quit after I realised that I felt *much* better for not being able to play (though not out of choice originally). I felt myself happier as a person and more motivated. For once, I wasn't worrying about getting home early enough to play.

Thanks for the incite, and grats on the return :)

Anonymous said...

If someone loves bowling and they end up spending all their time at the bowling alley is the bowling alley repsonsible.

How about if someone works out to much, lets blame the gym. Ohh wait I eat to much, blame fast food. I cant stop drining, blame alchohol..... Get a grip, its your fault and nobody elses. If anything you should thank WoW for making the best game you ever played, so good you lost focus of whats really important.

It feels good to blame, but blame yourself so you can learn your lesson and dont repeat history!

Anonymous said...

Eat a bullet, fruit tart! WoW is for retards! I hope you die face down in a gutter! Tee-hee!

Anonymous said...

The thing that made me stop MUDing and MMRPGing was a realization that was getting nothing in the physical world from it... and in fact was missing out on real life.

If I spent as many hours on a hobby I might have a cool PC or good beer or *something* to show for it.

If I spent that many hours on my job I would probably be well on my way to a 6 figure salary.

If I spent that many hours with my kids and my wife I might still have them around all the time and not only the kids on weekends.

In the end the realization that all of the gear, abilities, spells, etc were just streams of 1s and 0s ended it for me. Now I wonder, "What the hell was I thinking???"

Anonymous said...

Very interesting reading. I must say that even as a WoW-newbie I have felt that pull of addiction to escapism, but it definitely comes down to self control. We have to learn self control with anything we enjoy, no matter what it is.

WoW isn't something that should be officially limited or banned, because technically it isn't bad for you. It only becomes bad for you if you don't control yourself.

Like food - it's not bad for you, but if you don't control yourself and eat too much, it is bad for you.

The sad thing is that there will always be people who can't control themselves and there isn't much we can do except be there for them as much as we can and try to help them out of their addiction. They've got to recognise their problem, though, and decide to fix it, because you can never force someone to give up something they love.

Although I have felt that addictive part of WoW, I appreciate it for what it is - a game. I don't have a fiery ambition to get to the highest level possible, I just want to have some fun for a few hours a week. I don't care if I suck and I get killed a hundred times - if I get bored of dying, I'll create a completely new character and start from the beginning again, just to have fun. :)

Look after yourselves, everyone.

Anonymous said...

MMORPGs aren't the problem. People are. Nothing in this commentary couldn't be said about someone with a voracious addiction to literature, model trains, guitar playing, photography. You name it. I'm glad somebody decided to take control of their life, but some of these replies need to quit jumping to the assinine conclusion that any form of entertainment is bad, and MMOs doubly so.

If a person can be healthy, productive, and restrict theirself to 2 hours a day on average of WoW, who the hell is anyone to tell them they shouldn't? It would be like me coming to your house and saying that that one beer you have every evening is an addiction and noone should be allowed to have it. The fact that alcoholics exist doesn't mean that we need the protective Nanny-state telling us noone can have alcohol.

GROW UP, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, STOP ACTING LIKE DOING SOMETHING YOU ENJOY IS WRONG SIMPLY BECAUSE IT USES TIME.

Anonymous said...

I have been obsessed about many things in life, work, woman, clubbing, and now WOW. Many here agree that WoW is as addictive as they come, but not many have discussed the “satisfaction of the moment”
Yes there is no true real life value to what occurs in WOW; epic loots? rep? honor? All meaningless in the real world, but in those hours u play every week, these are the things that put a smile on your face or lighten your mood.

I could say the same thing about a heroine junky; each hit will bring him some sort of satisfaction, and will continue to lead him down a dark path.
But that’s where the similarities stop!! WoW is addictive, but it’s not harmful in any other way but time spent; and time usage is an arguable thing. Am I better of getting a second job with the time I used to spend in WoW? Should I work out? Put more time in with the family? Or just laze around….

Personally I live for the here and now, if something gets me satisfied and doesn’t hurt me in any other way but time consumption, I’m game for it. Why not? My works good, I work out every other day, I go out with the boys twice a week, meet woman on a regular bases.

All this said… I understand that to most spending 70+ days in a game that leads to nothing in the real life is a bit painful, and the act of stopping something that has become a routine in your life is hard.

I’m of the opinion that an individual must cut back on ANYTHING that hurts him. By hurt I mean all the above problems that the posters mentioned. These are things that happened cuz you got sucked into one thing so much that all others things blur to the background… there is nothing wrong with that, unless u wake up one day and decide… its not for you

Unknown said...

You win! Now this is how you beat a game that does not end.

I'm giving myself 8 monts to quit. Wish me luck.

Anonymous said...

8 Hours a week and not useless.

I must be a god among your people.

Anonymous said...

I've been playing WoW on and off for the last two years. I try and quit but, really, it is the best game ever made. Until you hit lvl 60.
AT that point it becomes a job. You must join a raid guild and be online at the required time or you will never get to enjoy half of the content in the game or play in a Battleground as a level 60. You have to earn the right to play the game through time spent.
The ironic thing is that once the expansion pack comes out, all those hours of raiding wil be for nothing. There will be common(green) , easily obtainable items in the expansion that are more powerful than the precious purple epics of the present game.

Anonymous said...

I believe that if you have those problems in the game, escapism, social dysfunction, etc, you will have those same problems in real life. This is just my experiance, I play WoW , have a relationship, and a job as s software engineer and some how I balance it all. I still go out every weekend with my friends. I think when you do anything in heavy doses, which WoW is easy to do, it becomes unhealthy, but , once again, I believe these traits would be heightened no matter what interests you would have. Good post, honest perspective but seems a bit dramatic, but maybe that was your experiance.

Alliance:Uther

Anonymous said...

I love it how people can read this article and immediately take offense from it. Every person's experiences with WoW are different. However, some might be similar to the experiences described here.

The author is not trying to say *everyone* who plays WoW is an addict. Simply, those who place it above other important things in their lives (again the idea of important varies from person to person) should consider re-evaluating these priorities.

Not that they should change their priorities, but it is important to be able to look at the whole picture of your life and consider what is important right now. These priorities change during a person's life and we need to be able to change with them. Also, it is easy sometimes to have a mis-match between what you think are important to you and what you actually do that is important to you.

I know that I have placed video games above other important things in my life. "Yeah, hun. We can hang out tonight. But, I can't come out tomorrow night because I am going on a Raid." For *me*, *I* feel that at this point in *my* life, 5 nights a week raiding is too much. For someone else, this might be perfect for them.

That is my two cents.

Anonymous said...

SENSIBILITY ROX

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well, as long as you get time doing real life things, i think its cool, and i really respect people who can that (im trying)
And to all thoes people whinig "omg, i need more wow, i wana play constantly" i'll just laugh my ass off, cuz damn you need to get a grip on your self if you cant handle a damn game... yes its fun to raid, and achive experience in end game instances and what ever you do, but jesus ... its a game. G A M E...

Anonymous said...

so glad someones come 'out' and said all this.

It's not a solo WoW phoenomenon. I was in a rutt similar to that described with Neverwinter nights in one of the multiplayer worlds, and saw many peoples lives fall apart as part of that. Luckily i have an understanding partner, or i'm sure i'd be single this day (which would probably mean i'd still be playing, ooh a vicious cycle)

People really need to keep a finger on the pulse so that they dont get sucked in too deeply, or your real life can take a serious hit from online gaming.

Anonymous said...

I can relate to this. I have quit SWG once, and WoW twice.

I originally started playing SWG cause my mother passed, and got addicted so heavily I decided to quit school.

I moved on to WoW, and quit eventually because I got a job.. but somehow i went back to WoW and quit my job for it -_-

Well, I got a new job so I quit again.. I hope history doesn't repeat itself..

And I'll likely lose my boyfriend to WoW as well..

Anonymous said...

As a recent COH and WoW 'retiree',let me say its good to know that you have kicked it to the curb.

My wife and three kids left because I became SO obsessed with the game, I really didn't care what happened in real life - I am surprised I kept a job. But I had to pay for the computer upgrades, broadband connection and subscription fees somehow.

And when my wife pulled the plug on the internet connection (literally called the cable company and had the broadband connection turned off), I went into a shock that further drove me into my own little cocoon and thus caused the seperation.

I finally got help through councelling (sp?). My wife and I are talking again and I hope to reconcile and move back in with them soon.

I hold no animosity towards Blizzard or PlayNC. They created a game - which if 'used as directed' - can be fun. Its just that those with certain personalities can be drawn into a world where they lose perspective.

Anonymous said...

First, Grats on being able to walk away.
Second, I had a similar experience to the one you described in EverQuest, and it did in fact ruined part of my life. I lost my g/f , gained a large amount of weight, failed out of college, and at one point I joked (later on) that I even stopped bathing. Determined to overcome my addiction, I quit and then returned 2 yrs later and when I felt myself becoming addicted I again pulled the plug.
Since then I have finished college, have a good job, and met someone whom I eventually married. Shortly after we got married our RL friends began moving to different parts of the country and we were both left very bored and alone. To make matters worse she wasn’t working and would often complain about how lonely she was. Around this time a couple of my college friends called me and asked me to join wow because they need a priest (a job I was good at). I made the decision to play ONLY if my wife would play too (2 accts, 2 computers) my wife is kind of a nerd and she decided she wanted to give it a try.
That was last February and we have overall had an enjoyable experience, it gave my wife and I an activity we could share in, it gave my wife a very needed social connection, and believe it our not helped my wife loose the 20lbs she had been wanting to loose, but she would forget to eat while playing. I believe put into this context WOW can be quite positive, it brings us closer as a couple (playing and working together) gives a much needed social aspect and can (in my wife’s case, encourage weight lose)
I don’t intend for this to be a “praise me, I’m so great” I just bring it up that I think MMORG’s like all things can be positive or negative, but MMORG’s need to handled with great caution; and I do think parents should take GREAT caution in letting their kids play.

Anonymous said...

Nice article. I've hardly played WoW (hardly = for about 12 hours ever), but I can see how it would get addicting. I play Guild Wars (the poor man's MMO), though, a game with so little depth that addiction would require actual conscious effort,so no risk for me! Good times! :P

Anonymous said...

Congratz for taking a step back, anything in life is about moderation.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for reminding me why I quit, and killing the slight urge I had to come back. Excellent post.

And honestly, to all the naysayers commenting, If you were in a reasonably successful guild you would understand and agree with this post. You cannot compare end game MMO'ing to some other obsessive hobby. Nor could you be a top player in an MMO without investing exorbitant amounts of time. If you think your gear can match up to someone who puts in the hours of a full-time job, you are deluding yourself.

Anonymous said...

There has been a study done on wow. It is the videogame equivalent of crack. The game is made specifically to pull you in and to play more. The people need to take personal responsability, but it is a psychological dependance potentially as strong as a drug.

Anonymous said...

Obviously you missed the boat in terms of what was said regarding DDO. Its just another game! Don't quit WOW and go running off to play another game to fill the gap and get your virtual fix. Just quit gaming if you're so sure that gaming is the root of evil for you..

You claim that DDO isn't another timesink, you sit and try to justify it because you just shifted your damned addiction and don't want to admit it. The loot is distributed differently but you know what? For all you 'loot sensitive' types who prefer it, call a spade a spade. You like it because a)there's no arguing over loot and b) you're guaranteed loot. If you weren't a loot whore in disguise this wouldn't be the basis of arguments you use against your old WOW pals that you no longer speak to because you ahve a new crew in DDO.

The point I was making initially is that if it is an addiction and you broke it, bravo for you. It isn't an addiction for everyone. AND... people who run off to substitute another GAME are just liars and so busy deluding themselves that they can't stomach the thought of being called out on their own hypocrisy.

Guilds aren't evil, the game isn't evil... what is evil is when you let it become the only thing you see. YOUR CHOICE. YOUR ACTIONS. YOUR CALL. Grow up and take responsibility like this guy did. No one turned on the computer but him.

Anonymous said...

Thanks man. I was thinking of starting to play WOW.

I know that if I start, I will get sucked into it, that's why I still have not signed up on the game.

It good to see your blog and know how addictive this game can be.

You probably saved me one YEAR of my life.

There are definitely other more meaningful and rewarding things to do in life.

Thanks man!

Anonymous said...

I play wow, I'm 16, I had to change highschools because all i did was play wow and get high. Right now I'm a recruit in a serious raiding guild, get 5 hours of sleep a night, and i failed ap psyc and ap chem. I'm addicted to running around IF showing my "fatloots". I recently stopped playing as much. I love it. I hang out with friends more, I've got a job, but i still cant just get off the computer. I dont regret playing wow though. I've met good people who I've gone to meet irl and stay in touch with.

WoW doesnt have to be a bad thing. Of course I sacrifice sleep and classes, but I've also met some good people. I have a good social life also. "Loot" isn't a big deal anymore. I want to seriously raid but with people i can trust.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Yeager...I wish you the best in re-gaining what you have lost in RL for price of a few moments of pixelated glory.

Five days from now I will finally reach Grand Marshall on my realm. I started PvPing on my toon the day Basin was introduced and it has taken me this long get this close. Casual play in the beginning, to an obscenely rediculous amount of pvp'ing to finally get GM next week. Dare I admit over 100 hours/wk for the past 2 months?

It doesn't phase me thinking about the time I know I'm gonna put into the final stretch of the grind after I submit this post. At this point I've been on auto-pilot way too long and it's not even funny.

I will have an even more brutal grind trying to ever re-gain all I have lost in a loving wife, best friend, and 2 wonderful children...all at the cost of some shiney weapons that are already obsolete.

I will take my brief view from the top in a few days..and quitely glide back down to reality, and learn to live again. I hope you some of you can do the same.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the article. I was on my way to Grand Marshal, but met the breaking point due to cheating and crying within the guild. Unfortunately, if I had stayed another 3 weeks I would have been able to make GM. However, now when I play, I play for fun. I go with a friend to Silithus and gank horde and laugh at them :) But I am no longer tied to "living and dieing" by this game. Anyway, good to hear other stories!

Vahsago

Anonymous said...

I was just sent this link from my boyfriend to read over it. He thinks it's funny because I played WoW for about 2-3 months. I got up to lvl 53 and quit because I was bored. Before that I played everquest "evercrack" for about 5 years total. I was addicted to EQ2 in the same way. I think everquest, for me, was more addicting, but I can see why people can play WoW longer.

I think there are two sides of this story. I think it is definitely true that people can get so addicted to this game they no longer have a life. I was that way when I started from age 15-17. I've played on and off since then and I'm now 24. I was hardcore addicted about a year ago to EQ2 and did all the raiding and was an officer of the top guild on the server. We were required to give all time after work and weekends to be in the guild w/o being kicked out.

I definitely feel what the poster is saying, but at the same time you can't blame it all on the game. I'm a 24 year old female that has a lot of friends and they make fun of me for being into video games. I know it was a choice I was making to dedicate time to playing a video game instead of going out with my friends. I don't blame anything on the game. I quit playing not because I regretted spending time playing, but because I got bored of raiding.

I think it's a game and it can be addicting like anything that you may enjoy. I don't think we should give the game such a hard wrap. They definitely have some Pavlov tactics in there though - like dinging a bell when you level! We are almost like dogs… pretty funny to think about it...

Anonymous said...

Wow, I couldn't read all the posts, I have things to do but wow! Some people got very hostile and defensive when they read this story. I commend the author, I think he was right to quit. I was a guild leader on EQ and when I beta'd EQ2, many of my guildies moved with me. I play 3-5 days a week, from 2 -4 hours a day . I don't raid because I afk too much to do laundry, answer the phone and do kid type stuff. If guildies really need a raid force i will help to get it organized but usually can't stay the whole time. Our guild are all casual players and it works for us. Most kids and college kids don't stay with us but if you have a RL you tend to stay. We have made some close friendships and have arranged to meet in RL already. Some of our guildies left to join raiding guilds and about half came back. It works for me, I don't like to watch TV. So I agree with both the pros and cons here but I don't see any reason to get defensive )

Anonymous said...

i read that whole thing and didnt find anything about users do you get a free acount or do you have to pay

Anonymous said...

70days /played and one year is very little. I wasted nearly 360days /played in FFXI before I got out. Consider yourself lucky for realizing so soon what a timesink playing some MMORPG full time is.

Anonymous said...

Uh...you can effectively manage a guild of 150+, but you can't effectively manage your own time? Sounds like a wonderful guild to be in if this is how the 'upper management' works...

FunkyJ said...

I'm sick to death of reading bullshit stories like this online.

If you're not able to pull yourself away from the game that millions of others do, then it's a problem with YOU, and not the game.

I'm a lot like the original poster - I DJ, I write about music and video games, I work in the games industry and I play WoW in my free time

I also have a very active social life. I see my friends on a regular basis.

Your addiction to the game is YOUR problem, not the game's.

The game is NOT addictive. It is your choice to play the game and forgo your life for the sake of the game.

It is NOT like drugs which get you physically and mentally addictive.

Most of you have obviously never dealt with anyone who has been seriously addicted to drugs, so to compare the two shows your total misunderstanding of the hell someone goes through when addicted.

As the original poster said - he was unemployed, living at home with his parents away from his friends... Has anyone even thought that Depression could be the root of his addiction?

Because it sounds like it to me!

Now he's got a job, and a woman, and living out of home, he can now 'quit' his addiction... Hmmmm or rather it is his depression which has gone, so he no longer needs a crutch.

Stop blaming this game for addiction. The game is NOT to blame. He could have become addicted to drugs, or masturbating, or whittling.

It just so happens that the game came along and he became addicted to that instead.

There are other factors at play that lead to being addicted to the game, but there is nothing inherent here that 'causes' addiction.

Anonymous said...

I play WoW. I've been doing so since retail release. I've been in small guilds and now in one of the most successful guilds on our server. I play about 4 hours a night. Less than the average person watches television. Think about that.

We have Spider Wing (Naxx) on farm. I've got full T2.5. I've got 3xlvl 60's with epics. I've got well over 100 days played across my toons.

Does any of this matter ? No. Will I play in the expansion. Yes.

I'm a father of a 5 month old, and husband of nearly 10 years. WoW is like golf to me. I turn up, talk shit with some mates, and then go home.

Do I enjoy it ? Yes. Do I enjoy it more than TV ? Yes. Do I enjoy it more than my wife and son ? No.

In the time that I've played WoW, I've also successfully completed a 220 km cycling event, and most weekends are spent with my family.

Please don't characterise all WoW players as mindless addicts or basement dwellers. Some of us are extremely successful professionals who can balance their lives and have more than one hobby.

Anonymous said...

Basically, the issue here is the inability of the protagonist to balance their own life. That's not really the fault of the game - he could just have easily gotten too involved in poker or watching TV.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the naysayer message.

Yeah, you could be addicted to anything. When you drink 10-12 beers everynight, you'll realize you have a problem (even though you deny it to others).

So other people are addicted to their job, what's in their wallet... their khakis.

Is the point that we should just all shut-up about our problems, even though it may help other people?

Look into why you'd have a thought like that. Maybe you're unwilling to confront something?

Why don't you become alcholic, or a junkie or crack-head... write a blog about your recovery, so I can come post a response like "cry me a river"

Anonymous said...

I just like to say that I don't play WoW but it's not really the person at fault. I agree with the author something like WoW can sneak up on you and become distructive. I'm a computer professional and can relate. I used to be your regular guy working 8-5 (40hrs a week), and slowly after 3yrs. realized that I've put in on average 75-94hrs a week without realizing what happened. Thinking back I also lost the best woman I ever met, lost time with my brother who's serving in Iraq, lost touch with friends and family, and etc. Yes, I admit I'm addicted to work (really, really sad) but didn't know I had a problem till yrs later. Thumbs up to you for leaving, of course there's never harm in doing anything even playing WoW. Just as long as you listen to those around you that cares. Now I have a whole life to start over again. Good Luck to those that are trying to leave. It's not really the persons fault, some people don't realize or understand that they have an addition till it's too late. For those that wake up early, then they are lucky. Addiction comes in all form, it's more like a disease.

Anonymous said...

I'm a recovering addict too. I've pretty much gotten over my addiction in the space of a few months by cancelling my account. I guess the key to quitting is just telling yourself that all the great rewards you earned are nothing but 1s and 0s, and mean absolutely nothing in real life. WoW sucks you in because you think you're important for having epic gear. The truth is, this doesn't mean anything in the real world.

Anonymous said...

Funkyj your a noob mate, if your "I'm sick to death of reading bullshit stories like this online." then stop writing it.

You seem very passionate about oposing this guys real life experience. The hardest thing for an addict is to admit it.

To say that the game isn't to blame is like saying drugs aren't to blame its the users, HIV isn't to blame its the users. Stuff them let them die. Yeah not how i see it. I like the game and play it, but your dreaming if you think it isn't addictive.

I actually have a great family, job and don't have depression but I can relate to his story. An addiction doesn't just have to be to substance - how I relised that it was addictive for me was I wanted to play it more and more, do more, get more, I was thinking about it all the time, at work, when I was going to sleep, when I woke up, what could I do next etc.

If you really want to know if its addictive or not, then ask a close friend (who doesn't play it) what they think.

I've had to reaccess my involvement with it and I only ever played 12 or so hours / week.

Just think if you spent those 12 hours thinking about or doing something nice for your wife/friend how much better that would be for the world around you.

Anonymous said...

I want to say thank you for writing this blog. The article was well written and held so many truths to it. I too quit after over a year of "real" time and about 40 days "/played" time. I grant that WoW does do some good things, it brought me and my brothers back together after they moved away. It gave us something in common and a way to interact together from across the country. As dorky as it is, it brought most of us closer together, like we were when we were younger. Yet, I am in college now and I need my life back. It was fun while it lasted, but real life called, and as you said, there is no end. I am going to send this to my brothers and hope that it shows them some truths they don't see yet. I'm very glad you posted this article. Thanks

Anonymous said...

I'm the Pally class leader for my guild.We run MC, AQ and ZG. I work a night shift, so I normaly play when my friends and family are at work. I'll try to attend 2 raids a week, but RL always comes first. You can keep yourself sane, it just takes the abilty to say, "no I'm not going to miss this (submit RL activety)for wow"

Anonymous said...

I'm currently working on my 6th and 7th level 60 -- yes, two toons at once -- since game release.

At the same time i'm being dragged into end-game instances 3-4 nights a week with my main level 60, never going to bed before 3am (up for work at 7am).

I'm a zombie most days. The quality of my work sucks horribly. I've failed my tertiary studies. I've lost RL friends because all I ever do is talk about WoW. I've got headaches most days.

I could list the problems endlessly.

I never feel like I am winning in the game, which just sucks, because im also losing in RL whilst im playing it.

I hate the game. Passionately, and I get no fun out of it anymore. But i don't have the willpower to leave it.

About the only thing i have done right so far is not let it affect the amount of time that i spend with my wife and son. Must be fun though, spending time with a zombie...

_sigh_

Anonymous said...

what a great post! Thanks for this...

Anonymous said...

"Well, to our average "serious" player this equates to anywhere between 12 hours (for the casual and usually "useless" player)"

I probably play less than 12 hours a week. Useless? Nope. 60, raiding and contributing? Yup. Has a good life balance? Yup.

After having been in your shoes around five years ago playing EQ, I learnt quite a different lesson. Perhaps the fault, gentle reader, lies not within the game but within one's own self.

Anonymous said...

Wow this article has opened my eyes. I play this game every chance i get. wake up wat 6:00 go to school, come home at 3... 3pm-1am i am playing. i might get 5 hrs of sleep a night. My grades are falling, friends are drifting. And yes ive lost a girl. I have shrugged this much off, (dont ask me how), untill now. Your article pulled my head outa the clouds. I have to quit.

Anonymous said...

Not just WOW, there are many other online multiplayer games that are so addictive too... Remebering Diablo II and Counter Strike, I used to skip classes in high school, in order to go play with my friends in Net Bars.

Though now I am at University of Toronto, I got to admit that its hard to get through school without quiting the games.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes real reality just isn't as good as virtual reality.

Remember those hard to get and keep relationships, so wonderful and easy in WOW.

Remember those tough to learn mathmatical equations, so simple in the world.

Remember the real life finacial difficulties, kill another monster and that's solved.

If only real life is like that...

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on beating WoW!

Anonymous said...

As a person who started on MUDs (Multi-user Dungeons) I can tell you firsthand how addictive these types of things can be. Not all people can just walk away. I was one of the many addicts of MUDs until, coming back from Christmas holidays, two friends didn't return to University. They had become so addicted that one had committed suicide and another had attempted it..because they'd lost touch with real life and were failing Uni (according to their suicide notes). Talk about a wake-up call.

When it becomes something that's much more than just a fun afternoon, then there's a problem. I see the current type of online gaming becoming a much more serious addiction problem than the olden MUD days.

Too many people are using WoW and others as a way of making up for something lacking in their real lives. This too I know firsthand.

Unfortunately, there are no easy solutions. Parents can disconnect their internets or delete the game and destroy the disc. But, what does a spouse do when their partner calls in sick for a week to play an online game?

No easy answers to this one :-(

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